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asciilifeform: the thing that boggles my mind, mircea_popescu , is that quite a few of these people ~knew~ what i was trying to do, and did not want it to happen.
mircea_popescu: not like you don't know all this, abstractly.
mircea_popescu: i'm saying you can't rely on it always working! cache misses are a thing, local maxima capture is a thing, whadda ya want
asciilifeform: wrote to the lmi d00d, convinced him to open the lmi sources ! successfully!
mircea_popescu: nor do i mean it as a belittlement. obviously train runs on tracks, car runs on road but lower efficiency ; 4wd needs not road even worse efficiency etc. you are what you are -- but just so, the problem is what it is.
asciilifeform: i wrote to more or less everybody who more or less so much as mentioned having heard of a lispm.
mircea_popescu: and this is a very important point, and cogent throughout, including re trb-i design
mircea_popescu: the solution to bad indexing is a lot of dirty nodes, not a few "l1" ones.
asciilifeform: i definitely was not 'limited to googling.'
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 00:18 phf: your approach to sourcing this info is by googling, while actually getting in touch with people who might know is derided as "whispering". while the content's been published and public since forever, those who follow along presumbly knew since then
mircea_popescu: you know exactly what i'm saying. peak talk is no solution to bad index.
mircea_popescu: no matter all this.
mircea_popescu: gotta maintain network IN BREADTH (lol ben_vulpes !) to fight that problem
asciilifeform: i wrote to him as a LICENSED BUYER
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's the problem : your algo (talk to peaks) is provedly, and notoriously, bad for breaking out of bad indexing tarpit.
asciilifeform: i wrote to motherfucking kalman reti, phf
asciilifeform: also i WROTE TO BRAD PARKER 4 TIMES
mircea_popescu: that's the distinguishing feature of it - as many years as until you notice.
asciilifeform: the ai lab d00d also had nfi that the source existed.
mircea_popescu: maybe they simply did not grok they had item you wanted, it happens.
asciilifeform: and, quite verily, they WILL be worth roughly their worth in gold reclamation, if fpga appears.
mircea_popescu: ftr it's still not altogether clear to me what went on ; and bad indexing still parsimonious explanation anyway.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the contemplated pathology is that of that ro d00d who owned ~1~ rembrandt
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyone doing the rembrandt moon game has thousands of different ones, does not care.
asciilifeform: and it's tru, the surplus 1201 was free (rubbish dumps) in late '90s, maybe 500 bux in 2000, but now costs 3-10k
mircea_popescu: phf the worth is always an objective, public matter. that you like inept whore / bad painting / whatever in your own livingroom does not make it worth anything.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a 'rembrandt', was expected to go 'to the moon'
phf: well, we've established that whatever i'm doing in that space is avocation. so the "worth" is entirely subjective
asciilifeform: is possibly other reason why they did not care to help me fpgaize it.
asciilifeform: i also suspect that the folks sitting on 4-10k worth of 'ivories' don't relish them suddenly being worth what nintendo is worth.
mircea_popescu: the time for thinking them worth > price of christian burial was, maybe, at the latest, 2007. certainly not 2017.
mircea_popescu: all. and their mothers and their daughters with them.
mircea_popescu: let them fucking drown, maggots below the stinkiest whore.
mircea_popescu: i can't bring myself to move my piss away from dks, or anyone in his generation's face. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it is ~the inept old men~ that MUST care about ~our~ opinions.
mircea_popescu: sbmx is worth ~0 today, on its own merit through its own work.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 00:42 phf: the timing of this rant is amusing, because i'm flying out to dks's tomorrow. which is why last time we talked about it i ~explicitly asked you not to rant about this in public~. if nobody cares about symbolics proper, then people certainly do care about the fickle opinions of older men, who are sitting on irreplaceable treasure troves of smbx technology.
asciilifeform: deducing not only from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1625044 but from the few dozen comments when the warez came out ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but fwiw, i don't credit the "irreplaceable treasure" theory.
asciilifeform: i don't have a cable into their heads, cannot say for certain what the cockroaches therein were doing.
mircea_popescu: is it the case that's what they thought etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since '09 or so i was one of very few people publicly interested in reversing the bolix gear. and apparently ~all of the aficionados, saw me as 'dangerous fool' who 'might piss off dks'...
mircea_popescu: he does prima facie seem to have a point, just not altogether sure what it is.
mircea_popescu: phf so far i'm just trying to probe this crater, i have nfi what's going on.
asciilifeform: phf: if there is one thing bolix aficionados is not, is poor.
asciilifeform: i won't telepsychoanalyze phf or any other of the other folx. but i gotta wonder wtf was in their heads.
phf: i think the implication is that "whisperers" are so poor (being dirty redditors) they can't even buy a cheap fpga
asciilifeform: can run with sram, even, afaik no smbx box shipped with more than 24M or so.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of the necessary size, is about fiddybux eat. in qty1.
asciilifeform: also phf yes i recall why you were going. but in light of the instruction set being out... my mind boggles, why to bother with ANYTHING but fpgaization pronto.
phf: fwiw, i'm not buying "old iron", and you'll know why i'm going there if you dig up literally the last set of pms we exchanged.
asciilifeform: much less to tell me about the magical shithub
asciilifeform: they know who they are.
asciilifeform: anyway this thread is not a personal stick to poke at phf, but at ~all~ of the culprits.
asciilifeform: ( to go on the board of a rebuilt smbx co ?? i have nfi. )
asciilifeform: it is very obviously something else. but what that something else is -- i am not privy to.
asciilifeform: it, very clearly, is not to put the necessary info to rebuild the machine, out in the open asap.
asciilifeform: phf: i have 0 idea of what is the goal of others. can only infer.
asciilifeform: and yes this is what various reddit anons told me in 2010, 'we pray for LEGIT RELEASE!11'
asciilifeform: nobody's gonna 'legit manufacture' it, phf , even if dks and that nsa d00d who owns him, do an 'official' release.
asciilifeform: so the machine can exist again. forever, like commodore 64 exists. and not on 20 d00d's shelves,while the capacitors work.
asciilifeform: i can't speak for others, but my objective since day 0 has been to get that instruction set.
phf: is that a legitimate question, or rhetorics for log?
asciilifeform: what's still in that treasure chest, that phf -- or anybody else -- wants?!
asciilifeform: also it boggles my mind, why is phf still buying the old iron, the instruction set's been out since '09... buy fpga board.
asciilifeform: phf: this is proving my point.
phf: the timing of this rant is amusing, because i'm flying out to dks's tomorrow. which is why last time we talked about it i ~explicitly asked you not to rant about this in public~. if nobody cares about symbolics proper, then people certainly do care about the fickle opinions of older men, who are sitting on irreplaceable treasure troves of smbx technology. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but how about POINTING to PUBLIC src omfg.
asciilifeform: it's one thing to scan schematics, and post, i forgive phf for not having gotten around to this chore (he proclaimed to intend it a year or so ago iirc) because it is a heavy labour
Framedragger: they must have really low self esteem to require this kind of labyrinthine way of pretending to themselves to be real important nao
asciilifeform: i seriously have nfi! what, all of you people thought 1) smbx has a commercial future 2) it will punish you for leaking (or reward for silence ?!!!)
asciilifeform: tried 'humint' even. asked dks, for instance, to name a price (he wouldn't)
asciilifeform: nor any way to get it.
asciilifeform: (for instance, in that YEAR i could have been making one. was quite inclined to, but didn't have the instruction set !!)
asciilifeform: and tells something about why to this day we don't have an fpga bolix.
asciilifeform: anyway this is probably all anyone needs of this 'mean girls' film
asciilifeform: he knew that the alpha installer was on torrent, tho.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: tbh i have nfi if he knew
Framedragger: yeah but that's what i meant by same, gave closed copy the source version of which was available (and known to him, presumably?)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it wasn't 'of same thing', it was just an x64 binary
asciilifeform: he sells (sold ? afaik he ran out.. ) all that was left to sell
Framedragger: gave illicit copy of same thing? uh
asciilifeform: Framedragger: dks , if you didn't know, is the last known paid employee of smbx co.
asciilifeform: but DID NOT MENTION the shithub.
asciilifeform: even gave me an 'illicit' copy of snap5, when i bought a genera license for my usg lab at the time
Framedragger: lol, what can i tell you, sad state of affairs
asciilifeform: dks even mentioned the warez install cd to me
Framedragger: well, that is pretty fucky and sad.
asciilifeform: NOBODY mentioned the shithub
asciilifeform: Framedragger: some of these people wrote to me re the 3620
Framedragger: i don't think he meant himself, but rather other, external wots.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 15:21 asciilifeform: and violates the principle of nothing-to-allcomers.
asciilifeform: yer more afraid of old ~defunct corp with 60k (look it up, usaspending.gov) than of riaa, mpaa, cia ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: srsly, folx, you passed around leaked winblows source, and nsa, etc, like it were candy, but not this ?
asciilifeform: first thing i did when i got hold of it is to put on warez, worldwide, same day
asciilifeform: and nobody thought to maybe tell asciilifeform , or even post on normal warez LIKE A MAN omfg
asciilifeform: for instance, i struggled to find the genera source, and then YEARS later i found out that 'the whisperers' have been quietly passing it around ☟︎
asciilifeform: there is a long, rotten tradition here, mircea_popescu , ofthis
mircea_popescu: it's not a defensible sharing of the power in any conceivable desing.
mircea_popescu: phf he has a strong case though. no blogs, no mirrors, jack shit. "oh we knew. github." cmon.