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trinque: within a few inches of
the left side of
the bottom case
trinque: can reproduce it every
time
ben_vulpes: was guaranteed way
to get boy out of house
though "hey i'm here" *slamming around*
ben_vulpes was
too kind
to call
trinque during business hours, lols not worth angrytrinque
trinque: proximity
to cell phone causes some video card problem
that
turns off
the display, have
to switch VTs
to get it back
ben_vulpes: i have seen
the most amazing kaleidescopic fireworks shows upon opening
the machine
ben_vulpes: oh don't even get me started on
the ways in which
the laptops don't behave deterministically
ben_vulpes: bezosnet is a far more capable docker
than docker ever will be.
ben_vulpes: yeah
the
thing approximately works as an uptime monitor for impoverished ustards running 20 side projects on a single aws
t1.micro
ben_vulpes: my popesculator appears
to function just fine
mircea_popescu: (though i suspect some segments of interwebs actually
think it works
thus)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes otherwise it'd be a little lulzy, what, dude stuffs girl in van, rapes her, it's now his
through
the magic of fuckjuice ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform complicated, consider most of angloworld used wallpaper + wainscotting up until
the us
took over
the civilisation.
trinque: hah
there's something
there
too
ben_vulpes: "yes i let you use her but she's still mine no matter what show you
two got up
to in
the bedroom"
ben_vulpes: kinda surprised
to not see a gf lending metaphor from mircea_popescu
trinque: really it's a reaction
to poverty, "lala no I really can't hear my neighbor
taking a shit"
ben_vulpes: has
the republic dispelled with
the illusion of
the multi-user unix machine yet?
ben_vulpes: sure but it's been going on like
this for what
three years how
trinque: yeah but calendar is hilarious
too
mircea_popescu: until you have net interface
that somehow (how
the fuck ?!) doesn't get
to read/write
to memory, your isolation is soup served in a calender.
Framedragger: that said, fuck *again* i expose myself
to arguing for a point i do not heartily believe in. need
to reassess my shitty approach.
mircea_popescu: isolation is
the metaphysical concept of running software independently on a machine which shares bus access among undefined peripherals and has no way
to isolate cpu instruction runs.
Framedragger: well i did, but you disagreed with
the definition
trinque: I
told you
to define it and you sulked
trinque: Framedragger: no, I said it's not a fucking
thing on
the same machine!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger
the xwindow
thing was a simple example of
the lowest fucking level of
this. what isolation. it never yet happened.
Framedragger: i only see folks denying
the concept of isolation, i maintain
that it's not altogether a useless concept. disagreement in premises
mircea_popescu: "can't say our democracy is a waste of everyone's
time". ooops...
mircea_popescu: well ? you said
that without ANYTHING
to back it up ?
that MAKES YOU exactly defined by
tshirt
trinque: twenty year old kid says in 201x "oh I will solve
the problem of system state management on unix"
mircea_popescu: listen, your position is horrible because you said "cant say x" and
then x was immediately said and ... what now ?
Framedragger: but rather more
to do with deployment, reproducability, ops, etc
Framedragger: that said, docker's 'main aim' isn't even isolation for
the sake of security, so my weak point is even weaker.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger more like "used docker, liked it, wants
to dockerize other
things"
therefore defined by
tshirt.
Framedragger: "used docker"
therefor "defined by
tshirt" q.e.d.
mircea_popescu: "i did not say
this before any implementation failed
though -- it was fine while it wasn't obviously failing"
trinque: "no
this
thing somebody else built defines me and I have
the
tshirt"
trinque: Framedragger: and what of
the myriad privilege escalations
that have happened right
through
the cocker daemon
mircea_popescu: your fucking x windows read
the input of all other windows dude. wtf.
Framedragger: a process by which one restricts
the system-provided resources
that a particular entity (just "process", for now, say) is exposed
to;
the effect of which is
that
the entity functions as if in a stand-alone system dedicated
to its purpose
trinque: yeah but he was supposed
to say it!
mircea_popescu: i am saying
the core concept of isolation is not useful. what now.
ben_vulpes: and
then i waste a year and untold piles of shitbucks on docker
trinque: you may not use
the
term "isolation" without defining it
Framedragger: *sigh* i'll grant it
that concepts are leaky and can't apply hammer
to all problems etc etc; but you can't pretend
that
the core concept of isolation is not useful. just isolating fs, process, and network is already useful.
trinque: Framedragger:
the fuck is "isolation" ?
mircea_popescu: the whole point of
the "we'll solve problems with plows dragged by 1024 chickens" is
that you
then DO NOT
tyurn aroundand pretend each chicken is an individual bipedal miniox.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger honestly i know of no better
than "get a box"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 17:20 phf: "you want meaning in your life? lol. here's 50 books of meaningless rituals.
that you have
to perform daily.
the smarter you are
the more rituals you get. knock yourself out."
Framedragger: i expect folks regard
the "crash and go away" as a feature - just restart it bro, etc.
mircea_popescu: it's great for otherwise idle dorks
to dick about with.
ben_vulpes: worse
than mongo in
that it contaminates /everything/.
ben_vulpes: silicon-valley developer finger
trap. can't go away soon enough.
ben_vulpes: no bitch, you will give me
that process
that is hosed. i want
to diddle it further.
ben_vulpes: "oh, no, why would you ever want
to do
that? aren't you a professional opsbro? with centralized logging? containers are ephemeral, you low-dough derp!
they crash and go away!"
ben_vulpes: but
that's not all! say one wants
to get into a running container where something went wrong
to inspect it's state
ben_vulpes: you say
this as
though you
think i'm unaware
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 19:34 ben_vulpes: Framedragger: "if you care about your data integrity, our
tool is not for you"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 19:33 asciilifeform: Framedragger: you will notice
that
tools which 'invites lazy people
to be even more lazy and reckless' proliferate, whereas ones
that penalize shaved chimps for being
the worthless biowaste
that
they are,
tend
to disappear and
then have
to be excavated from 1km of dirt, or evaporate entirely
Framedragger just had some cold borscht. << amazing and recommend for
those who haven't
tried
mircea_popescu: you know it's going
to shit when
the cheese starts widening in
this manner.