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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the outside world is despised << in the book, this was underscored on every page. and the degeneracy depicted also.
asciilifeform: we already know how harems built
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: collect the most desirable children from outside : teenaged women with big tits << building harem then, not mathematical monastery, i take it.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i wasn't suggesting it as a practical recipe. more of an overall reagent.
asciilifeform: and grew them with discipline
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in stephenson's world, they didn't need to. collected unwanted children from outside.
asciilifeform: and obscurity
asciilifeform: -ev, but no day job, you pay with pain
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, neal stephenson (in fiction) proposed a pill against 'the moment creation is +EV, all the narcisists flood in' - monasteries
asciilifeform: no sane ceo actuallyhas to work, ever << so then!
asciilifeform: soros?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how long it would take for herr buffett to drain ?
asciilifeform: any integer N meant here
asciilifeform: but, typically, not 'day job' in the 'schmuck who will starve after N paycheques skipped' sense
asciilifeform: actual ceo also earns a living
asciilifeform: they ALL stem from the mistaken idea that creators should be able to eat << mircea_popescu suggests they should photosynthesize ?
asciilifeform: ^ best geniuses are undead
asciilifeform: [insert army of the dead scene from 'lord of rings']
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: the what-do-they-eat.
asciilifeform: nono not that part
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminiscent of anthill chick
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rms has a term of art for it, 'tivoization'
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nknPYKw2QM
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: "but muh jerb" << when you open a metal shop in #b-a, perhaps i can go and work sweeping floor there.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzH1iaKVsBM << classic
asciilifeform: that was a 'donald duck'
asciilifeform: 'Ist dis Nazi Land so good? Would you leave it if you could? Ja, dis Nazi Land ist good! We would leave if we could.' ('der fuhrer's face', 1942)
asciilifeform: and hence 'not real places' is factual
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not accidental. folks who travel from usa to english-speaking (or most western eu in general) aren't actually leaving the empire
asciilifeform: 'Kazakhstan! greatest country in the world! all other countrys are run by little girls...' (tm)
asciilifeform: even as thought experiment
asciilifeform: how many folks in usa went on an airplane even once? did it not occur to not buy return ticket?
asciilifeform: doesn't occur !?!
asciilifeform: or whether such a thing even makes sense
asciilifeform wonders if anyone ever polled, who would leave if could
asciilifeform: hm not chickpeas
asciilifeform: ;;google lathyrism
asciilifeform looks for al schwartz's table of plant toxins; can't find at the moment, but recalls that chickpeas were near the top for something or other
asciilifeform suspected but did not know
asciilifeform: almost sounds like the '80s 'chelation' theory
asciilifeform: 'eat recycled food!' (TM)
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what happens, roughly ?
asciilifeform: and malnutrition turns the organism uniquely underequipped to deal with the released crud.
asciilifeform: on account of various strange in their american diet
asciilifeform: the gist is that folks will croak long before they turn auschwitz-thin
asciilifeform: and i forget who suggested it to me
asciilifeform: aha. has not been tested in practice, afaik
asciilifeform: that weren't there in '40s
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is a hypothesis that this will not happen this time around. because of sudden release of fat-soluble poisons
asciilifeform: not even redditors
asciilifeform firmly convinced that there are no entirely useless things in this world
asciilifeform: then diesel.
asciilifeform: no, like homo redditicus
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: u.s. fat.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/03/google-adsense-spying.htm << mega-l0l
asciilifeform: (rendering various organisms for soap, a growth industry in the near future)
asciilifeform: say, S.USFAT
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i was thinking about a hypothetical larger world where there are many worthwhile things
asciilifeform is eminently unqualified to comment on the hypothesis itself, if this is it
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: so is your hypothesis that allocating btc between investments is so difficult and/or uninteresting that no one can do it for you for a fee and there still be anything left over to work with ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what would be an example of an active investment ?
asciilifeform: even aside from the ooda loop, the #1 thing in a library is serendipity
asciilifeform: PeterL: see 'ooda loop' discussion
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what do you mean by 'passive investment' ?
asciilifeform: PeterL: where most of the things i take an interest in actually happened.
asciilifeform: PeterL: have you looked at open access journals like http://www.hindawi.com/ ? << even if, through divine intervention, everyone suddenly began to publish there (they won't) - this doesn't solve the 20th century
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the quoted log in your post reads with great difficulty because of the choice of snips
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you would do just as well to learn ru
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: him. he has a book, about his life and how he was tormented in punitive psych hospitals
asciilifeform is not convinced that there was anything interesting in 'nazi academia' that we aren't already using in consumer tech (german chemical work, mostly, manufacturing techniques)
asciilifeform: unfortunately pete_dushenski is right about the unavailability in english of most of the interesting material.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: plus the post-war rescue of virtually all of the weirdos (most famously von braun but many others)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: chemical industry, for instance
asciilifeform: not about ibm
asciilifeform: (not because it included superweapons but to conceal the amount of u.s.-nazi cooperation from day one)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: all the good stuff was taken to usa and is, for the most part, still secret
asciilifeform: l0l re: pete_dushenski immediately thinking of mengele's twins
asciilifeform: (re: twin studies from last night's thread.)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: speaking here of the longitudinal studies of adopted children in usa
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: wrong twin studies
asciilifeform: but of the absolutely first-rate, never-equalled academic work
asciilifeform: trinque: not speaking of the rusty rockets at all
asciilifeform: the folks not dead of drink have been driving cabs in nyc for so long as to have put their generative years firmly behind. ☟︎
asciilifeform: where is soviet physics? mathematics ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: the 'fine things of life' invariably are destroyed in a proper collapse.
asciilifeform: say what you like about library of alexandria, but usenet '85-'2000 was home to virtually all of the technically competent folks who exist today.
asciilifeform: trinque: they bought up the dejanews optical disks. and i'm be rather surprised if they didn't still have them.
asciilifeform: i still can't tell if it was mere neglect, or shitgnomery, or specifically the folks who posted silly things on usenet in the '80-'90s are trying to run for political office, or what.
asciilifeform: then - at all
asciilifeform: then they stopped making them searchable separately
asciilifeform: and before that, they glommed it into their idiot 'google groups' thing ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: it's in there, as far as i can tell, but quietly stopped being searchable a year or so ago
asciilifeform: trinque: nope
asciilifeform: like the old spies with their 'minox' cams.
asciilifeform: decimation: tripod
asciilifeform: but i happen to live here. and to me the availability of this or that piece of dead tree - matters.
asciilifeform: i kinda wish i could think myself into the mindset of 'immortal olympian' that way
asciilifeform: since mircea_popescu is out, i will fill in for him and observe that library of alexandria burning is no loss, when cockroaches evolve and replace man they will rediscover everything. ☟︎