asciilifeform: ;;calc (130*10**6)/261.23

asciilifeform: ;;ticker

asciilifeform: is it any wonder, given this picture, that homo redditicus wishes to mangle hierarchy, even if it nukes civilization? it seems as logical as wishing to stab the guards, given the chance, when you're imprisoned in auschwitz. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044114 ☝︎

asciilifeform: because, among other things, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-03-2015#1044115 ☝︎

asciilifeform: the picasso thing is a mega-l0l

asciilifeform: because 'prove you didn't steal it' if you aren't one ☟︎

asciilifeform: not nationalized as such (perhaps if it were confiscated to put in museum ?) but given to a designated darling of the state

asciilifeform: *with fifty btc

asciilifeform: re: picasso article: i can easily imagine a 'Dark Future of Hello Kitty' (TM) where a plebe found with ten fifty is prosecuted because 'he could only have obtained them by stealing from j.p.morgan, stop telling lies, there's no other way' ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/20/french-court-orders-picassos-electrician-to-return-nearly-300-artworks << bezzle lords have legal title to the bezzle, it seems

asciilifeform: nubbins`: though i also recall from his logs that a great many ran off cliffs also

asciilifeform: nubbins`: i thought the arawaks were picked off for target practice by columb's crew

asciilifeform: felipelalli: the one whose sign levitates ?

asciilifeform knows this. theoretically.

asciilifeform: and ocelots.

asciilifeform associates brazil primarily with spam and poorly written virii

asciilifeform: had paper roll.

asciilifeform: not fully electric

asciilifeform: ;;google plankalkül

asciilifeform: built out of phone exchange relays, in his mother's kitchen, iirc

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: zuse's computer

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you mean the v-s?

asciilifeform: decimation: i'm not certain they were wrong

asciilifeform: i say 0. but mircea_popescu, i think, says p is a positive integer

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how much irrelevant drudgery is the right amount? would we have more newtoniana if he had broken rocks at butugychag for p % of his day ?

asciilifeform: wasn't trying to describe a management method, but simply banal observation that kepler's day job (forget mine) is to be counted on the -sad- part of the ledger

asciilifeform: we don't win from kepler's day job

asciilifeform: this is why trying to show more objective example

asciilifeform: let's focus on interesting people for a moment. kepler, say. spent a good chunk of his time at day job - astrology.

asciilifeform: square rooting, though, i can entirely see

asciilifeform: (i can guess)

asciilifeform: what was this

asciilifeform: to put it from own perspective, i'm not sure what serenissima wins from me spending most of every day working with winblows virii

asciilifeform: i don't see the inevitable dichotomy between 'world flooded with shit' and 'arbeit macht frei'

asciilifeform: shoot the shit producers, problem solved

asciilifeform: i'll explain what was meant. generally i'm in favour of less arbeit macht frei for everyone.

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform wasn't even trying to sway anyone. but must point out the dismal history.

asciilifeform: so they didn't really need computer.

asciilifeform: guess herr zuse didn't know how to both invent first computer -and- self-support

asciilifeform: not dumb per se. just thought 'thinkers should have day jobs'

asciilifeform: decimation: aha, konrad zuse and 'plankalkule'

asciilifeform: but going back in archives, i am perpetually astonished at what was accomplished by men who never saw not only computer but plastic bag.

asciilifeform: didn't say computer was entirely useless

asciilifeform: well sure

asciilifeform: (lacking spectrometers, etc. vs. having)

asciilifeform: vs 1970-now

asciilifeform: think this way: consider the palpable progress in chemical industry 1900-40

asciilifeform: ditto mass spec

asciilifeform: it merely saves time, effort, skill, cost.

asciilifeform: you don't actually -need- gas chromatograph for anything, in the sense of experiment being entirely unworkable without it

asciilifeform: but my observation holds

asciilifeform: this also

asciilifeform: but takes craft

asciilifeform: because everything they can do, traditional analytic chem can also do

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly, pretty much nobody used these for the first 20 or so years they existed

asciilifeform: i'll let PeterL settle this one when he returns

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of basic techniques, rather than products

asciilifeform: and so forth

asciilifeform: folks are still wearing the same synthetic fibres used in german uniforms, made in same way

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, we're not literally stuck with 1930s tech. for the most part. organic chemistry has not really moved very far since

asciilifeform: ah

asciilifeform: incidentally none of the allied crypto (other than vernam, aka otp, which was also used in germany) was in any way superior to enigma

asciilifeform: sure

asciilifeform: nothing german about it

asciilifeform: as commercial product

asciilifeform: in 1920s, iirc

asciilifeform: decimation: also designed by a pole

asciilifeform: http://www.ventnorradar.co.uk/Germ.htm

asciilifeform: did not, iirc, have the klystron though

asciilifeform: reich had perfectly passable radar

asciilifeform: enigma was built by a pole!

asciilifeform: works in the sense of 'were so l337 that we're still cribbing off their tech notebook and can never hope to match'

asciilifeform: the occasional impalement also helps

asciilifeform: keeps the narcissomaniacs out, etc.

asciilifeform: monasteries - work.

asciilifeform: so there we go

asciilifeform: by this token every hunter-gatherer should be newton

asciilifeform: destroys body, too

asciilifeform: actually waking up to alarm clock and sitting in an office guaranteed to destroy, regardless of what else

asciilifeform: certain kinds of life destroy the mind.

asciilifeform: thing is, newton's 52 is not the same as american slave's 52

asciilifeform: over 50 << when did the thing they were remembered for ?

asciilifeform: who, archimedes ?

asciilifeform: it works more like sport.

asciilifeform: aeneas was not a mathematician.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ah, i was thinking of the other taxation, where goons come and lift a penny out of every 3 i make

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: now i recall, there was a thread where one of you asked the other for a smoke in-channel

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha got it

asciilifeform: i mean, ben_vulpes and trinque live a few blocks .. ?

asciilifeform: ^ that was trinque ?

asciilifeform has not yet met ben_vulpes in the flesh

asciilifeform: together in the sense of usaschwitz

asciilifeform: or even a generation ago, rough 'cost of life' in civilized works was a fraction of today's

asciilifeform: (elementary calculation re: taxation)

asciilifeform: the 'day job' thing is more complicated than looks on the surface. a medieval serf, for instance, served for a much smaller fraction of his waking time than i or ben_vulpes do

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: janissary corps? why not

asciilifeform: decimation: re: footballist and maths << napoleon has at least one theorem to his credit

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wasn't specified as 'dregs' but as children who liked to think and weren't especially missed when inducted