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mircea_popescu: strongest rebuff i know of
the whole "ustards, psssh." angle.
Framedragger: yes yes i understand,
the cherry on
top is
that you make sure it's also *easy*.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i understand, but i mean
the *detail*, etc. - it's a nice manual with everything spelled out for
the user
Framedragger: i really admire
the amount of effort you
took
to carefully spell out ways of auditing
the
thing
Framedragger: "when 4chan / $an_internet sets his mind
to something"
Framedragger: asciilifeform: mno,
this was a super random find, was going over some logs, re-read piece of your sage probe article, poked source out of curiosity
Framedragger: maybe not important enough
to recalc and repub checksums heh
mircea_popescu: anyway, in other lulz, what is
the winklevoss / silbert / etc usgian dorks claim
to fame now ?
mircea_popescu: fine illustration of birthday paradox. if names were 4 characters long and randomly distributed,
there'd be 13k people with
the same name
mircea_popescu: ugh. between
the blog and
the log he didn't find anything ?!
fake_space_whale: Is
there an intro
to
trilema somewhere? I
tried poking around
the website and didn't find anything in my brief hunt.
mircea_popescu: and
the product of
this ("obviousness") is reallyt
the lest fungible item
there is.
Framedragger: i see what you mean - knowledge gained on
the problem space, processes with dealing with problems and researching
this domain developed, etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 14:39 mircea_popescu: you ever go
to school ? what usually happens
there's a chick
there
that's really good pre-puberty.
then she starts bleeding, and she skips some classes / homeworks / attentionpaying. and
then... she can never catch back up again. because interlocking.
mircea_popescu: it is a very false idea
that what we say here "is in
the open" and
thereby "anyone could" etc.
the prb devs can't, notwithstanding
their own delusions of information and ability.
mircea_popescu: it's not just
the direct effect ("generic enough
to be re-usable"). much more important are
the second order effects. (if you never went
to school, you'd never even HAVE KNOWN what computers are, and consequently...) sort of
thing.
Framedragger: probably worth
thinking about it more, it'd be quite a spiffy
thing indeed...
that said, i have a more general concern with
time-sunk-cost-to-trb. i do wonder how realistic it is
to expect a
trb-i in
the years
to come. if it is,
then working on shitty legacy
trb codebase is opportunity cost par excellence :( ; but, maybe
testing harness could be generic enough
to be easily re-usable.
mircea_popescu: yeah a blockchain-and-mempool
testing harness would be a mighty fine item
to have.
Framedragger: this would be decently-demanding undertaking
though, so makes sense
to start from simpler unit
tests which e.g. simply check if hash/signature checking routines work well. would still be handy for regression
testing during development / when code is added, etc.
Framedragger: this would require a decently
thought out
testing framework (i don't mean shitty-web-framework, just, a systematized approach)
Framedragger: would be interesting
to set up shitty-network-failure scenarios
to see how 'antifragile' it is with regards
to syncing up.
Framedragger: agree with mircea_popescu re fuzzing any inputs (primarily
transactions)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-12 01:58 ben_vulpes: anyways, having
thought about "testing"
trb, i am interested
to hear what kinds of
tests framedragger would write
a111: Logged on 2017-03-12 02:25 ben_vulpes: hey, if genesis is programmable, can generate chains for
testing on
the fly
mircea_popescu: you won't see 239 cuz it
timeouts at 240 lol. and if you wait enough might even see 278.
mod6 goes
to read about Zuleika
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> signatures don't match, scripts are bad, inputs are bad, outputs are
too long, on it goes << yeah, exactly. eventually coverage like
this is a must. eventually.
mircea_popescu: well i fucked it up, said
tanks
twice. first one is metals.
mircea_popescu: their problem, however, is
that
they have nfi what
they're doing, like
that dog driving van on
trilema.
mircea_popescu: same exact
thing with
the docker people -- if
theior problem was
that
they wrote spr1ntf it'd be one
thing
mircea_popescu: mp goes hunting. if mp goes hunting without a rifle and bullets, mp has fucked up
the
tanks part of engineering. if mp goes hunting in unknown martian planet, ends up eaten by hunter-eater, mp has fucked up river part of engineering. if mp goes hunting in zoo, shoots english bobby
through overpenetration, mp has fucked up
tanks part of engineering. if mp goes hunting in hunting place and hunts quarry but misses his shot,
tech
mircea_popescu: seriously
though,
trivial failure mode. compiler wil lcomplain if nothing else.
mircea_popescu: how
this would work -- i've no idea, but
technically i suppose it's
there.
mircea_popescu: yes, if you meant "maybe alf
typos
the code and doesn't notice"
then yes, expect.
mircea_popescu: but i wouldn't say "when i pull
trigger i expect round
to discharge". because i don't.
mircea_popescu: "we're expecting her
to deliver my child in june".
that's expect.
mircea_popescu: no, it means actual expect. something you want and will
take
time.
mircea_popescu: i expect girl
to shave. ie,
tomorrow. i don't expect anything out of
the floor.
mircea_popescu: expectation is
the equivalent of
the continuous
tense, you may have expectations out of your household. but no expectations are involved in fuckgoats. if
the current is what it was specified it'll work and if not it will burn. what do you ~expect~ ?
mircea_popescu: the meaning of pile is
that
they are defined, specified, circumscribed.
mircea_popescu: people are utterly resistent
to doing
this, principally because hopemechanism/bad engineers.
mircea_popescu: for
the docker guy ? make pile of
tanks (what he's engineering for) ; river (what he's engineering against) ; metal (what he's engineering with).
mircea_popescu: no, because docker rat fails
to correctly pile up his materials.