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asciilifeform: pictures on boxes suggest no sata
asciilifeform: go figure
asciilifeform: but blue box
asciilifeform: i see purple logo
asciilifeform: with previous type of box
asciilifeform: -may be- the right
asciilifeform: or wait
asciilifeform: wrong pogo!!!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rolling in gpg1 is 1000s ?
asciilifeform: and getting physical objects from one place to another is still pretty hard.
asciilifeform: and we haven't so many.
asciilifeform: but they aren't
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if these were still made and we could parachute them around the world - that'd be one thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gpg fits handily on the nand
asciilifeform: and no other behaviour
asciilifeform: personally what i'd do is look for and verify foundation gpg sig on tarball on sd card when button pressed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if 'humane' can open shell when that programmable button near the jack is pressed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually he can't
asciilifeform: they can send the whole lot of us to dev/null
asciilifeform: aha so it's pointing straight at phoundation's dns
asciilifeform: and did the dns seed snip ever get merged ?
asciilifeform: the one that's in there now is unusable.
asciilifeform: eh i know it isn't 'sexy' but don't forget the seed list.
asciilifeform hasn't a clue
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-03-2015#1068467 ☝︎
asciilifeform: the photo mats randomly posted today is, incidentally, a picturesque metaphor for what we're doing.
asciilifeform: (fwiw, my father informs me that this custom was unknown in his unit, and only expert was trusted with wrapping chutes)
asciilifeform: then, if they find a pancake, there is no question of 'whodunit'
asciilifeform: 'i packed this. --mr grunt'
asciilifeform: before it is used
asciilifeform: and sign it
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: referring to a tradition in certain armies where men are expected to wrap own parachute
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not literally
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the implication is that various internals are accessible, and flow can be stopped
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: good question:
asciilifeform: (i for one will happily jump with the parachute i packed for self. but my carcass isn't worth especially much)
asciilifeform: or at least the fate of truly serious folks with much to lose
asciilifeform: trinque: because of the difficulty, and ultimately the very real practical limits of programmatic proof, tandem is likely our fate for many years.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and one of the folks here (not guaranteed that it'll be me) writes a spiffy 'ab initio' bitcoind
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: imagine you're mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: that is, one which (or, even better, its subcomponents) can be ran in lockstep with another nominally-equivalent program
asciilifeform: i will admit that, with regards to the reference version (let's call it 'traditional') i am especially interested in a tandem-operable variant
asciilifeform: but it will be some time before anyone is faced with question of what to do with my ver.
asciilifeform: but this wasn't a secret, was it
asciilifeform: i intend to
asciilifeform: (got its own scheduler, aha)
asciilifeform: little secret re: 'in anger' - ada doesn't need an os...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes gets.
asciilifeform: there we go
asciilifeform: and yes, this means we freeze gcc, ulibc, etc. in time.
asciilifeform: the result ought to be a self-contained bag of shit that, when executed on any reasonable unix, eventually churns out a set of images suitable for flashing to a 'pogo'.
asciilifeform: that is, the same crosscompiler it builds, that builds kernel etc. will also build bitcoind and its deps
asciilifeform: my notion, as of a month plus ago, was to bake the entire orchestra into a buildroot
asciilifeform: the thing is mega-configurable and very baroque
asciilifeform: 3) userland (rootfs image for stuffing wherever, nand in our case)
asciilifeform: 2) kernel
asciilifeform: it builds, in this order 1) toolchain (using local gcc) for target cpu - gcc and binutils
asciilifeform: 'buildroot' is this mega-automaton for building cross-compiled os for routers and the like
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, others :
asciilifeform: ok, quick likbez on 'buildroot'
asciilifeform: l0l aha
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if you think pcb is expensive, try injection-molded anything.
asciilifeform: but ought to try
asciilifeform: now result might be a heap of slag where the logo was
asciilifeform: nothing a 40w laser can't fix
asciilifeform: nubbins` laser then.
asciilifeform: stickers are so 10 yrs ago when we all had that gnu with horns on laptops
asciilifeform: eh chinese
asciilifeform: i was considering lasering mine
asciilifeform: or other parts of chassis
asciilifeform: nubbins` do you think you could do a print of some kind over the lid?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didn't say 'like,' l0l
asciilifeform: having finally booted a reasonable linux
asciilifeform: i'm almost beginning to not-regret picking that machine
asciilifeform: and possibly punkman
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu iirc had some
asciilifeform: and i think mod6 had a bunch
asciilifeform: i presently am sitting on no fewer than 12.
asciilifeform: nah just me
asciilifeform: lol i cleaned a cm of dust off my pogo today.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in as far as it may end up the first battlefield deployment of 0.5.3.x - aha.
asciilifeform: the kernel i just posted, sees the nand.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: tomorrow rootfs in nand
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: long thread re: pogo.
asciilifeform: at the very minimum, development units ought to have it
asciilifeform: (not the net)
asciilifeform: loading from attached storage of course
asciilifeform: if ben_vulpes and mod6 decide that we must have an updater (signed, naturally) i suggest that the button be used to trigger it
asciilifeform: thought yours might have had a button under the lamp
asciilifeform: i have it too
asciilifeform: nubbins`: -that- button
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall how it has a gigantic seedlist consisting of mostly corpses, compiled in ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: another ingredient, since you were making a list, is the seed list
asciilifeform: nubbins`: because it is quite clearly different from mine
asciilifeform: nubbins`: would you care to post a photo of the unit ?
asciilifeform: the designer made an entirely rational choice
asciilifeform: and bloats exe by ~2 factor
asciilifeform: it just makes pointers take up 2x the space
asciilifeform: also whoever it was who marvelled (l0l) at pogo being a 32bit arm - 64bit is lunacy on a box with 128m of ram and no swap
asciilifeform: nubbins`: does it actually press?