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danielpbarron: hey i agree. i don't
think it needs
to be a database or state issue. can be between husband and father of girl. if
there's a dispute later, let
them
testify accordingly
mircea_popescu: i guess ? no good way
to apply
the eyepoppingly socialist db model
to
the fundamentally republican reality of domestic disturbances.
danielpbarron: what would
that be? a concatonated string of woman ids?
mircea_popescu: but as a general principle of db design :
the property is stored with its creator, not with its object.
danielpbarron: heh if we're gonna get
technical, perhaps she declares instead a signed
thing produced by me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cog wants
to be cog, cockroach
thinks "o, man doesn't feel interchangeable, how sad!!1". pretty lulzy.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron what do you do when women start declaring your id ? note
that
this isn't an idle consideration, but quite
the fundamental problem of harem societies. clemens has some notes about it re life in
the mormon lands, for instance. it's everywhere.
mircea_popescu: that died at a
time orwell was a young man.
this dude's murican from
the island.
mircea_popescu: not
the meaning of words, not all, not any ; not
the substance of human relations nor
the organising of human activity nor anything else.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why
the muricans imagine "everything" is up for
their review.
trinque: anyhow
the 2% in
there about "you will have
to edit your schema" sure
Framedragger secretly likes
the guy's scifi. but, yah, point
taken
trinque: I'm not engaging in
the sidestepping game with you.
Framedragger: anyway, it's
true, not
the most interesting piece; was relevant and lulzy enough for me; guess i'm
timid
Framedragger: you do understand
that you can use words descriptively and not normatively, right?
trinque: rejecting something on
the basis of politics is entirely reasonable
Framedragger: danielpbarron: iirc
there's a scheme down
there which allows for
this, etc.
trinque: the article signs off with a
turd about open minds and flexible worldviews and so on
danielpbarron: he's on
the right
track with
the eye-poppingly sexist scheme. it should, however, be
the woman who stores
the husband id,
that way many women can be paired
to one man
Framedragger: spoiler, it gets into nice examples of graph
theory. but yeah, not
the $badword!!1
Framedragger: like,
that *the*
thing you picked out. great, success
Framedragger: like any other place,
this one's got
their
trigger words,
too. careful not
to read
too much literature in case you segfault,
trinque
trinque: "eye-poppingly sexist" << wtf I am not reading
this
a111: Logged on 2017-03-15 17:46
trinque always wonders why people want
to involve
the govt in
the
thing
mircea_popescu: yeah,
that's one of
the weirdest
things.
they mostly did it standing (like, for
the record, it's normal!) and yet
the expressions all reference
the decaying mores of
the empire.
danielpbarron: i'm not convinced it's possible
to convert girls with cock
danielpbarron: sure, if he was saved after
the marriage. otherwise it's dubious
to say he believes if he was willing
to lay with a heathen
mircea_popescu: only if one believes and is wrong while
the other doesn't and is right. otherwise... what's
the problem,
truth prevails eventually.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, why would
the woman be a drag in
the first place ? old loves dun bother mp any. heck,
they're a substantial part of his imperial majesty.
trinque: while
they haven't yet,
they're a nuisance
to
the living
trinque: most basic drive
there is, ever present, DO NOT FUCK IT UP EVER NOT ONCE
trinque: sounds more like it causes
timidity in
the male,
than building judgment
danielpbarron: and
this is a better incetive structure for preventing
the bad relationship in
the first place
danielpbarron: wha? i'm not saying a man can't have multiple wives. if
the first sucks get another, just don't ditch
the first
mircea_popescu: it'd seem
to me
that in
the continuum between "whenever a man is born a woman is allocated him, soulmate" and "let
them be passed around and let
the dogs fuck
them
too, what, it's a muscle. not like
they're made of soap"
the specific "there's no soulmate but
there shouldn't be gynorgies either" spot you select is hard
to support in any fundamental way.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Isaiah 45:7 :: I form
the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I
the LORD do all
these
things.
danielpbarron: and lucky her she's not going
to hell because i wouldn't have married a heathen
mircea_popescu: suppose you meet
this girl
that loves you and get married and
then have sex on wedding night and she's allergic
to your sperm (this happens, yes), goes into anaphylactic shock an' dies. was
this pre-ordained ?
danielpbarron: all
that matters is women not be passed around like harlots
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Matthew 19:6 :: Wherefore
they are no more
twain, but one flesh. What
therefore God hath joined
together, let not man put asunder.
mircea_popescu: suppose you're born and a perfect and ideal bride is destined
to you. suppose 15 years later a black immigrant from
the arab nation of africa gets her drunk at a party and fucks her. is it now
too late for you ?
danielpbarron: it would be better she die
than lie with another for sure
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron well cast away dun mean you also
take her back does it.
trinque: man, if I
think back on all
the women I cast away, and
they were all in
this room
☟︎ mircea_popescu: teh cast away device is immensely valuable :
to
the loving woman it is
truly
the bottom, worst possible penalty ;
to
the unloving a welcome release.
danielpbarron: it is not casting away if you give an order and she refuses
to follow. can still beat her/ restrain etc
mircea_popescu: if she knows she can't be cast away
that fucks up her incentive structure.
trinque: danielpbarron:
towards purpose?
trinque always wonders why people want
to involve
the govt in
the
thing
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the resemblance is striking,
to me. but
then again mebbe im weird.
mircea_popescu: ie, man enjoys a woman specifically ; satoshi wishes
to make bitcoin.
that's all well and good.
then man proceeds
to marry her and satoshi proceeds
to design a scheme whereby everyhing's suddenly and for no reason o(n).
mircea_popescu: but anyway, my point was
that
there's actual effectual activity, and
then
there's
the specific sort of pointless makework which self-referentially
tends
to capture people.
mircea_popescu: well
the biblical interpretation is neither clear nor practically relevant, seeing how heathens exist but biblical marriages are necessarily livresque.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform danielpbarron
the arrangement a) between one man and one woman which b) presumes
to be wilfully entered by both and c) claims
to resolve all
the possible problems
they may encounter is, necessarily, a casette
tape.
Framedragger: myeah you can't randomly access
things in
the middle, etc. lol.
Framedragger: oh hah ok.. and he felt compelled
to use his custom
thing for
those,
too. ok lol
Framedragger: wait he uses boost right, doesn't boost have its own 'multiprecision'
thingie a la bignum?
Framedragger: at first i
thought "well for small ints it's just an additional nSize check which is retarted but whatever", but he writes
the bytes himself regardless of int size and i'm sure compiler etc. won't be able
to optimise much
there
Framedragger: nice. so you have local pointers within given data structure (e.g. block) referring
to starts of whatever-relevant-stuff? (i didn't even know
that satoshi's code used variable length ints)
Framedragger: (also recursion forbidden,
too, e.g. (in jpl c handbook) - all about predictable execution..)