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thickasthieves: you give it a name, and the first version is 1
mircea_popescu: i want some smart chicks that become experts in complex systems and chaos theory over a semester
los_pantalones: but that's pure speculation from a game of telephone
los_pantalones: on the phone was told 'a bunch of people from bitcoin core dev'
asciilifeform: we aren't doing 'provably correct' or even 'fits in head' quite yet. just a reasonably sane janitorial job on classical bitcoind. downed pilot has to eat, whether the fauna have four legs, six, or a thousand.
mike_c: <+undata> in that there will always be ways to break things, and always a need for fixes << yeah.. one way to break things is to add "fixes"
undata: in that there will always be ways to break things, and always a need for fixes
mircea_popescu: mike_c not a bad instinct generally, but gotta start somewhere.
mircea_popescu: and make a "bitcoin" that has no more bitcoin in it at all.
mircea_popescu: what may perhaps happen is a day when gavin, mike and co finally go full-ethereum
PeterL: a specification?
mircea_popescu: mike_c think of it strategically. won't it be funny when usgavin is stuck arguing that a) he's forking bitcoin and b) it's the real bitcoin ?
mike_c: i would rather use b-a bitcoin v0.1 over derpy bitcoin v0.9
mircea_popescu: the wanna-bes on the outskirts of bitcoin are making baseless claims to a continuity that doesn't exist.
mike_c: and that is worth signifying, instead of looking like a clone.
nubbins`: this is what, a couple weeks of sifting to identify em
asciilifeform: first someone please unearth a genuine vintage tarball of 0.5.3. github of poundation sc4mz0rz could be doctored.
nubbins`: a-ha, that's also fair
nubbins`: actually i suppose a better idea is to deturdify 0.5.3 first
mircea_popescu: nor do i think it's a half -good idea.
BingoBoingo: My worry with ECDSA for signing critical things is using the same keypair too many times increases the chances a bad k can enter the mix
mircea_popescu: it was a riot, you shoulda seen
nubbins`: mp i hope you tricked him into thinking he was gonna print a bunch of stuff
bounce: the ecdsa stuff is short enough to fit conveniently in a header or two
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla by the way, intel sez that the reason you've not heard from sgornick nor will you is that the guy meanwhile figured out i'm involved, and doesn't like me either because i said nigger or cunt at some point in the past. <<< what a fucking cunt
bounce would like bitcoin address-signed mail. if you're going ahead with the signage requirement, lemme see if I can whip up a verifier for that.
asciilifeform: if you can get a signed gibblet in, by land, by sea, by pigeon - and signature is one of the chosen - message is in next broadcast. 'cheap and angry' - like 'mpex' et al.
asciilifeform: i dare suggest a simple antisp4mz0r filter for mailing list - only messages signed from +v #b-a folks accepted.
kakobrekla: i make a joke see
jurov: mkay...so is there a consensus what should therealbitcoin host? only http git repo for now?
asciilifeform: does nubs have a deturdified bitcoind src?
bounce: you may have a local cache that hasn't timed out yet
mike_c: *** google-public-dns-a.google.com can't find qntra.net: Server failed
gribble: Error: "QUESTION" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: yes. i've a year-round allergy from 1993 or so to present time, with small break during trip to Ro
BingoBoingo: the 127.0.0.1 may simply be a historical record
mircea_popescu: mike_c except if the dow continues doing 1-2 percents a day for the next three months.
mike_c: warren has a fortress. not easily assailable.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's a dns issue in progress.
mike_c: which represents 7% of brk.a market cap
mircea_popescu: how isn't it a holding company ?!
mike_c: couple stock holdings taking a hit isn't that big a deal
mike_c: berkshire isn't a holding company.
mircea_popescu: ko missed, tesco lost 50% yoy, ibm just paid a bn to gut itself. so now it's basically a real estate agent (as previously discussed, in these very logs, before the news hit)
mircea_popescu: but i mean big fucking deal, when bitcoin went from 1200 to 600 i "lost" like a bn too.
mircea_popescu: cnn is a libtard venue i read somewhere.
mircea_popescu: maybe he's a rapper ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 possibly a dns isasue ? nobody;'s blocked.
empyex: mircea_popescu: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=86 Or use a valid MPSIC!
mircea_popescu: bounce you mayhap have a point. iirc this vuln was writing past the end tag and adding a 2nd spurious end tag.
asciilifeform: ultimately, looking for vulns in a system that doesn't fit in a head is rather like looking for particular health problems in a fresh corpse.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=biw | Apr 28, 2012 ... biw. A common used phrase on the internet in the Netherlands. It means 'ben ik weer' - 'i'm back'. 'Biw, is er iets mis?' - 'Biw, is there something ...
bounce: similarly with some of the vectors to use shell shock. how does a dns lookup request end up on the server being fed to a bash process, exactly?
mircea_popescu: pretty sure the paclkage manager handles pics on a routine basis
bounce: how do they manage to take a picture and end up feeding it to the package installer? o_O
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the dignity of virgins is a metaphysical subject.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'you lamer, betcha own x86 boxes and like it, trololol' << pete got a bunch of that on his software doesn't fail recent thing too
kakobrekla: its more of a 'truth' mail
bradedwards: Hey room, I was told about you all by a friend of mine Mitch Callahan. He showed me Qntra, and I like your approach. Less corporate news, more honest. Less polished, mroe of the harsh truths the community needs to hear. Just wanted to stop by and voice my appreciation and support
kakobrekla: ircing on a broken sw stack running on a broken hw stack
bounce: I'd probably want a mailinglist to toss patches around, though
asciilifeform: and why did this have to wait for crackpot to ask for a printed satoshi turd, i wonder.
mircea_popescu: people need a lot more negativity in their life to be happy and productive and members of society.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform commenting the source code is never a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how to do signed commits << the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing to sign under it, signs. this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply the patches to get a merged turdball. << i think this is exactly how it should go. ☟︎
asciilifeform: how to do signed commits << the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing to sign under it, signs. this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply the patches to get a merged turdball.
bounce: you can have git trigger a log whatnot and feed that to the other end of a bot
mircea_popescu: a contrib that is submitted via ssh WAS, maybe, perhaps, signed at some point.
mircea_popescu: jurov might be a good idea via bots, so people can commit from here directly, but even w/o that : a contrib that is signed is signed permanently.
bounce: though no, best put a ssh thingy for commit on it
mircea_popescu: https is about as useful as tits on a boar.
bounce: can throw a git repo at it for starters
asciilifeform: redo the whole thing in cl in a night already << ask me again in peacetime
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: care to upload a favourite and signed openbsd installer? then we roll tonight.
bounce: redo the whole thing in cl in a night already
mircea_popescu: certainly the cl is a good antecessor.
asciilifeform: valgrind << will run inside. it attaches to a process. if you want out-of-band (say, kernel diddling) both emulators present 'gdb' interface to the outside, stop cpu, play
mike_c: <+ben_vulpes> http://www.nhplace.com/kent/CL/x3j13-sd-05.html << this seems like a good, simple, plain example.
othernubs`: qemu sounds like a start
mircea_popescu: <mod6> <+ben_vulpes> i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there? << me either, but we can work on it. no sweat. << you've read plenty of mpex contracts, good enough. keep it direct, plain and simp,le.
othernubs`: highest grade i ever got in a math degree was 98% in a technical writing course ;0
asciilifeform: oh and yes, i'll crap out a qemu (or bochs - does anyone prefer bochs?) image.
BingoBoingo: I have a feeling the great use of Deedbot will be proclamations of giving a fuck.
asciilifeform: i'll happily take a weekend off to read the rng gibblets, once you lot draft a proclamation of Giving A Fuck
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there? << me either, but we can work on it. no sweat.
mircea_popescu: jurov b-a is not for everyone.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes mod6 so draft a charter, then we can bitch at it. << okay :)
othernubs`: boot up a vm!
ben_vulpes: i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mod6 so draft a charter, then we can bitch at it.
asciilifeform: even contemplating basic auditability requires a 'capsule' that does not need to milk anything (save mains current) from the outside world, during build setup
bounce: though boost is a right pain and bloody big.
bounce: it's still going to be a bitch for shops that're running, say, xen or vmware or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> you have to feed it a blockchain to avoid endless waiting? << not like we can't keep an official copy for bootstrapping, or else people who have the patience can just make their own
asciilifeform: so does someone actually want this for anything? and othernubs has a tree up for comment?
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: thanks, although you're a few weeks late :D
bounce: one thing that would be useful but is probably not that trivial to implement is a way to split keeping the chain and keeping the keys
asciilifeform: plus, a snapshot of ordinary x86 bsd install 'for qemu' could be booted on a physical machine. the suggested distribution mechanism is just a way to keep the thing reliably portable without having folks dependency-hunt.
mircea_popescu: othernubs`> i don't think gui should be a priority, at all. << prolly not. if they kill the qt branch it would be no loss anyway
jurov: you have to feed it a blockchain to avoid endless waiting?