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mircea_popescu: yeah remember when
these were actually worth reading ?
mircea_popescu: i used
to use it daily when i used real mode computors for sure.
mircea_popescu: they made biosen with asm debuggers built in, back
then,
too!
mircea_popescu: no pipe, no shell.
that much. pretty sure
there was an awkatron as a command.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dos wasn't altogether shell-less
though. about par with ash or w/e
they had at
the
time.
mircea_popescu: shit was ~windows 3.1, except actually worked, was actually useful and
took like 300kb. but otherwise - exactly identical. unsurprisingly, didn't
take off.
mircea_popescu: well, let's say it did most of my work back in
the day.
mircea_popescu: fortunately,
this hasn't been a
thing in a decade by now.
trinque: I'm
tempted
to fiddle with midnight commander after asciilifeform's mention
phf: trinque: i've been
there, i used exwm for a couple of months.
there's no end
to
the rabbit hole when it's made out of bits, is my point
a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 00:44 phf: well, i realized
that environment micro optimizations are mostly a waste of
time, and
that something like emacs is one of
the worst offenders.
mircea_popescu: i
think i mentioned old dood doing actual mm paper acre sized work at some point.
mircea_popescu: come
to
think labout it,
the extensive keybindings was
the part i enjoyed least about derive.
trinque: might have
to do with which end of
the pig you find most repellant
trinque: I dunno about
the commercial lisp IDE situation but wouldn't surprise me if
they're pretty ok
trinque: seems pretty reasonable; java vogons are gonna make
the "best" vogonator
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 21:36 phf:
that's another reason, why i don't for example, "hack my python with vim like a real hacker". give me
the filthiest, most feature rich IDE, where i can just push spacebar
to get half of my scaffolding, or whatever kids
these days
trinque: phf already answered
the IDE question in another
thread
phf: you'd
think ascii would know
that one,
traditional ru construction method
mircea_popescu: "won't shit get randomly bent and displaced and you only get
the residual friction anyway ?" "YEAH!!!"
mircea_popescu: fucking
TERRIBLE idea, "oh, let's shove a hard item
through
the panes,
that'll show 'em!"
mircea_popescu: phf i suspect your ride having been identified as possibly gay, you're now
to defend your manhood in ARMED COMBAT!
phf: but in structural carpentry by
the way
they don't use nails, drills and screws. (i have experience with
that one, and last
time i did a build i don't
think we even had a hammer)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: perhaps
the interstitial spaces carry meaning for me
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes at no poin he says
this, your banks need ecc!
phf: there's no point
to answering
that question, because it's irrelevant
to my original point
ben_vulpes: from which
the other rec which i
took derives, "appcode"
mircea_popescu: which... well, let's say it generally fails
to capture
the interest of females, or males older
than about 16.
ben_vulpes: nails are
the worst metaphorkical pick.
mircea_popescu: your asking has very little in common with asking and a lot in common with "i'll just make up some random shit within 0.1 s and challenge everyone
to prove it wrong"
phf: i didn't actually quit programming, omg.
this is reminiscent of
the whisperers
thread, where a strawman, once chosen, because
the only possible direction of conversation
mircea_popescu: it is also not safe
to say "they're
the only ones doing roadwork". etc.
mircea_popescu: some people (known as you know, road workers) have very strong preferences re
the asphalt barrelatron.
mircea_popescu: yet
there also is
the BEST IN CLASS asphalt barrel with car attacher!
mircea_popescu: could you possibly also consider yopu know, just going
to a different
town ?
mircea_popescu: well, shouldn't you have a barrel of asphalt in your car, fix
the hole ? serious people go about with barrel of asphalt
tied
to car.\
phf: ben_vulpes: we're not actually discussing various relative merritts of various who calls, because we don't have any problem in mind. for
trb clion's who-calls is above and beyond anything emacs provides, for genera's clim ~genera~ is way better at who calls, etc.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: perhaps it is sin of
too-much-emacs, but
this is not an interruption
to my loop
phf: i'm not sure where
to even start with alf's vitriol, but i've seen
this conversations enough
to not even
try
mircea_popescu: what he's proposing is
that it's a
tad ridiculous
to keep, like every honest
taxpaying,
they
took our jerbs murican, shiny
toolkit in garage,
that cost 5k
to buy and used a
total of 400 watts in its entire life
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't imagine he's proposing you don't use whatever
tool you want for whatever job.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes, but
this means you're doing archeological work. why are you ?
mircea_popescu: still, wouldn'\t it be kinda nice if he sat himself on chair instead of all
that ?
mircea_popescu: yes, i understand
that man drowning in complexishit may find various straws
to help himself keep breather holes above level for a week longer.
mircea_popescu: right back
to
the whole "but my balcony
tomato plantation!11!"
mircea_popescu: let's put it
this way : if your program is compelx enough you forgot who-calls and it is not actually addressed
to a large enough problem space, maybe it's
time
to review why you're writing it.
mircea_popescu: "but
the hammer's so nice" "dude we're discussing a
tool by itself" "don't you
think it's nice ?"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 01:15 phf: btcbase still runs on slime, but it's a 30 line el file
that lives in
the repo itself.