asciilifeform: http://borlandc.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Screenshot1.png

asciilifeform: you know, -that- one

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i once seriously toyed with the idea of building with borland cpp 3

asciilifeform: damn.

asciilifeform: untar and ./auto.sh

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: be so kind as to try the build on one of your debians ?

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform consults table

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-04-2015#1082482 ☝︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what did you use ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes awake ?

asciilifeform: (see yesterday's zoological find)

asciilifeform: which includes a type not defined in the src.

asciilifeform: and turned out that it has a lying gcc

asciilifeform: besides we had someone try specifically it - ben_vulpes ?

asciilifeform: ick.

asciilifeform: aha so i gotta download bins

asciilifeform: i mean, with my existing compilers.

asciilifeform: without downloading bins

asciilifeform: can i re-create it ?

asciilifeform: but no one has suggested a good idea.

asciilifeform: it is.

asciilifeform: not for running bitcoind -in-.

asciilifeform: now this'd be for -builds-

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do this in life. if you have a reasonably-fast computer, it is tolerable.

asciilifeform: (see rest of thread)

asciilifeform: with instruction set such-and-such, this much ram, etc.

asciilifeform: it being, what folks do in school. emulate a machine that is described on half a sheet of paper

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or the other thing i suggested

asciilifeform: iirc written no later than '97

asciilifeform: earlier.

asciilifeform: even if there is a universe full of falsehood. as pointed out, stupidity cuts into equivalence classes.

asciilifeform: enumerations of fallacies - and especially of scams - are not useless

asciilifeform: jjust like spamsolutions.txt is not a textbook

asciilifeform: as a massage.

asciilifeform: not as a serious guide for humans !

asciilifeform: https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt << based possibly on this. or in essay form

asciilifeform: incidentally, one idea for writersey folks - taxonomy of the meaningfully-different forms of bad crypto.

asciilifeform: it is rare to see an entirely novel stupid invented.

asciilifeform: aha. they even had own 'spamcoins' (using - now, long-dead - centralized spam-money services)

asciilifeform: sorta the same feeling i used to get when i was a regular reader of 'secret' forums for spammers

asciilifeform: on the flip side, it gives an almost p.t. barnum-esque air of loud, profanely farting cynical hucksterism. nostalgic.

asciilifeform: it's one thing to pitch 'proof that 1=2' to third-grade children, another - to maths grad students

asciilifeform: because, possibly, the flavour of being targeted at folks who go in for cryptological maths, rather than garden-variety schmucks

asciilifeform: i haven't seen anything as insulting to the intelligence of the reader as 'voltage security co.' in many years.

asciilifeform: 'scheme for relieving idiots of their...'

asciilifeform: i suppose one can patent a chumpatron.

asciilifeform: for all i know, 'keybase' is a licensee

asciilifeform: it's a 'keybase'.

asciilifeform: but the asymmetry is required for honest crypto. i.e. if mr luser can determine a privkey to go with luser@luserdom.com than so can you and i

asciilifeform: e.g. 'vanitygen'

asciilifeform: you can right now

asciilifeform: correctly?!

asciilifeform: 'encryption-flavoured extruded product'

asciilifeform: same way american 'food' is food

asciilifeform: in buttfuck embrace

asciilifeform: then they live happily ever after

asciilifeform: by virtue of the hash being malleable

asciilifeform: 2) usg generates a private key to 'go with' the public

asciilifeform: 1) idiot generates a 'public key' by his email, or name, being hashed

asciilifeform: http://www.voltage.com/technology/identity-based-encryption << him ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since it isn't an actual cryptosystem, you will never -see- it. instead, the bank account of that clown and his university 'sees' the royalties from idiot usg affiliates proclaiming to 'use' it.

asciilifeform: as in, fed to unsuspecting bipedal cattle

asciilifeform: sorta like high fructose syrup is 'used'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'used' has a very peculiar meaning here

asciilifeform: Cogburn: so was it the beard ? or an actual position ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rms' autoreply << never got, but the 48 hour thing is not, afaik, new. he has someone read the mail and pass it on (or not)

asciilifeform: late 4/1 joke ?

asciilifeform: am i talking to a perl script ?

asciilifeform: Cogburn: are you able to describe even one of the concepts you agree or disagree with mircea_popescu about? or do you just dislike his beard ?

asciilifeform: if i say that i -disagree- with dijkstra - then i do not believe these things.

asciilifeform: let's say i said 'i think dijkstra was doing it right.' that would imply that i am in favour of structured programming, against the use of 'goto', and in favour of 99.999% of programming students being flunked and similar fraction of the practitioners of that profession - being fired.

asciilifeform: i mean, what does it concretely mean, in your mind

asciilifeform: Cogburn: and which 'way' is that ?

asciilifeform: Cogburn: i'm rather curious re: what you believe mircea_popescu is doing. 'right' or otherwise.

asciilifeform: !up Cogburn

asciilifeform: Cogburn: please specify -when- rome 'worked'

asciilifeform: Cogburn: worked -when- ?

asciilifeform: pass the lsd plz.

asciilifeform: Cogburn: from what i read so far, it seems like your 'fix' still involves armed thugs threatening murder to create a 'market.'

asciilifeform: instead of residing in extermination camps.

asciilifeform: the other thing is the political nuance here. when you do business with riaa etc. you are banking that 2025 will contain a world where riaa and the usg it is an affiliate of - are still in business ☟︎

asciilifeform: especially if the sum gets subtracted in human flesh.

asciilifeform: and am not alone in this.

asciilifeform: Cogburn: RIAA project << i for one would only pay even a penny for something riaa-related if it somehow -takes away- at least the same penny from riaa et al. ☟︎

asciilifeform: Cogburn: there are more lucrative ways to fleece idiots, you know

asciilifeform: and, do the folks -inside- - who paid for their tickets - need them for anything? does the train need them ?

asciilifeform: now, are they 'passengers' ?

asciilifeform: notice all the folks hanging off the sides, on the roof ?

asciilifeform: or a train

asciilifeform: <Cogburn> that means all those buddies in palo alto that everyone uses will fork to that chain << have you ever seen a tram in the third world ?

asciilifeform: <Cogburn> You know the WoT is basically forensic evidence, right? << it's more of a signed confession than 'forensic' anything. like the american 'declaration of independence.' 'we hang together or hang separately,' etc.

asciilifeform: but could not remember what disagreed about ?

asciilifeform: <Cogburn> pun intended? what is bitcoin if not the core reference client? << actually Cogburn is right. it very much -is- the reference client. which lives here: http://therealbitcoin.org

asciilifeform: Cogburn: where do you know (?) mircea_popescu from ?

asciilifeform: 'Romanian cryptographer Mircea Popescu...' << l0l

asciilifeform: <nubbins`> simply doing this manually and re-running auto.sh brings me back to... uint32_t ... << aaaaand this is where my patch in turn b0rks the thing. 'the doctor cured the patient's ear, but did poke out an eye, i fear'

asciilifeform: <nubbins`> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xEsMZtmE << this is actually -correct- behaviour - barfs instead of pulling in system's ssl headers

asciilifeform: lol what even is this.

asciilifeform: but stating it here for anyone who did not immediately grasp this.