asciilifeform: there is such a thing as physical resources that are 1) concentrated spatially and 2) too unique to hijack like a vine hijacks tree.
asciilifeform wonders what mircea_popescu would do if put in command of the red army. imagines that he would order it to disperse, with no more than one man per square km, and operate only as saboteur groups.
asciilifeform: (meant as 'opposite of real estate scam')
asciilifeform: with actual nuclear sovereignty over some geography or other
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meant something like a 'mircea_popescu as stalin' scenario
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... looky here, I have no doubt i could probably pass some "new bitcoin country" real estate scam or other. i do not wish to. this, deliberately, and upon consideration, and against what random idiot may interpret as my patrimonial interest. << leads into the mega-question - what is the opposite of a real estate scam? or is this like the maxwellian hypothetical 'monopole magnet', where you have a mystery alien
asciilifeform to pet: 'if i go to the bottom of the sea, push this button...'
asciilifeform: friends were right in the airport, waving
asciilifeform brought phone last time, did not use for anything useful
asciilifeform: l0l, why ben_vulpes even needs a phone
asciilifeform: the fella i'm renting from now, lives on opposite end of continent, and never comes here. he will only bill for holes etc. if next tenant complains about them
asciilifeform: which is to say, if you build a $widget into the house and then tear it out, and leave holes, he can charge you a nominal cost of cement for the holes.
asciilifeform: decimation: very easy, actually, but most contracts around here demand that you give 'improvements' to the landlord for free
asciilifeform: for a burglary to be proclaimed in this way.
asciilifeform: decimation: it is traditional in these parts
asciilifeform: (who will take my space suit seriously, and why)
asciilifeform: just as i will not undertake to build a space suit.
asciilifeform: if had serious coin - a different matter.
asciilifeform: i cannot personally jump with that particular parachute from any kind of meaningful height
asciilifeform: incidentally, now is the time when i say, to interested readers, that i do not presently consider myself qualified to build a bitcoin 'wallet.' not because i do not understand how they must work at least as well as anyone else - but because of the 'skin in the game' problem.
asciilifeform: that is: not being able to move to the flying sand castle quite yet.
asciilifeform: methinks felipelalli is expressing the traditional frustration of the 3 to 6 month n00b to #b-a:☟︎
asciilifeform: what if the "derivated mirrored user" was just an ID of a social network like Facebook or Twitter? Before strike me, let me explain my motivation: << what if the 'derivated mirror food' was just a turd from the local public toilet, with spices such as mustard or ketchup? Before strike me, let me explain...
asciilifeform: medieval juries also did not concern themselves with day-to-day idiocies.☟︎
asciilifeform: in much the same way, you cannot extract trustworthiness from the aether☟︎
asciilifeform: which attempts to extract energy from nothing
asciilifeform: this entire thread concerns something as ill-conceived as perpetuum mobile
asciilifeform: williamdunne: Who verifies the WoT? << no one but -you-, the user. and your experiences.
asciilifeform: ditto any other passport or traditional document of identity.
asciilifeform: williamdunne: no one can verify a u.s. passport (the folks who can - won't. because they are our enemies.)
asciilifeform: it is, to use the ancient term of art, 'fractally wrong'
asciilifeform: the idea is a crock of shit at the most fundamental possible level.
asciilifeform: if only it could somehow be gotten to in a 'fair' way, etc
asciilifeform: felipelalli: you are labouring under the presumption that the ultimate arbiter of truth is that piece of paper
asciilifeform: whereas today it means, to many, 'what he is called by usg'
asciilifeform: if it were 1415, i say 'my name is xxxx' and 'name' in your head -means- 'what my new friend calls himself'
asciilifeform: felipelalli is still labouring under the burden of his old religion.
asciilifeform: felipelalli: is it unclear to you why i have no reason whatsoever to add or subtract to my belief that this is your name, from hearing this ?
asciilifeform: felipelalli: one not-inaccurate way to think about 'cipherpunkian' systems such as bitcoin or wot is as attempts to emulate a kind of incorruptible god☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: if his reptilian majesty decrees that he should tell you 'no, this fella is a fraud, his real name is mark karpeles' he will do so.
asciilifeform: felipelalli: a usg agent is not a machine for verifying that this piece of paper contains the name my mother gave me. he is a machine for furthering the will of lizard hitler.
asciilifeform: felipelalli: problem is that your oracle is a liar
asciilifeform: and some bizarre notion of putting them to use in somehow creating trust out of the aether
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the original thread concerned traditional identity papers issued by, e.g., usg
asciilifeform: and the entire exercise is a mold-a-bullet-from-shit
asciilifeform: any connection between the name claimed in the key and the piece of dead tree signed with it, is putative and unverifiable
asciilifeform: as the 'ban' thing unfolds, honeypots like zimmerman's which specifically sell on the point of 'l337 d00dz against nsa' will either a) quietly fade away b) somehow continue in what they presently are, in spite of supposed 'bans'☟︎
asciilifeform: so here's what's next per the hypothesis..
asciilifeform: felipelalli: someone who is not a usg agent has no ability whatsoever to verify the legitimacy of any document but that of the most laughable fake
asciilifeform: my hypothesis has the appeal of being... testable.
asciilifeform: (do you know what it costs to advertise in every single car of the d.c. subway?)☟︎
asciilifeform: it only turned into this because the folks on the subway (yes, it was advertised in d.c. subway!) really did not give half a rat's arse about crypto of -whatever- kind
asciilifeform: the 'redphone', etc. idiocy was not -planned- as a boondoggle requiring eternal injections of qe-tronium to function.
