asciilifeform: can't go far with exploded head.

asciilifeform: and apparently neither can anyone else

asciilifeform: i can't even config a fucking apache vhost on this thing.

asciilifeform: how the everliving fuck is cpanel used with anything other than php/static wwwtron

asciilifeform: i've tried three claimed locations so far and none work

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where does cpanel keep apache's vhost configs, and why is this not documented anywhere ?

asciilifeform: yw Cromag1

asciilifeform: !down Cromag1

asciilifeform: meow mix?

asciilifeform: and good old tr

asciilifeform: eh the only good part of unix is |

asciilifeform: so 'fits in head' is 'part of a balanced diet' with 'does whole job' (otherwise brick 'fits in head')

asciilifeform: it is also how you know that x did -nothing but- whole job.

asciilifeform: anything else - is conjecture.

asciilifeform: 'fits in head' is how you actually -know- that x 'did whole job'

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: i said 'sorta worx'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is almost but not entirely right. we are, for instance, presently speaking through an ancient atlantian tech that sorta works.

asciilifeform genuinely wonders if mircea_popescu ever runs any www gadget that isn't a php bloggatron

asciilifeform: hence the traditional 'cpanel is not removable' dictum

asciilifeform: still end up with cpanelism autogenned crapolade in every single fucking thing in /etc

asciilifeform: and apache still runs, eats cycles for fuck knows what

asciilifeform: cpanel - again, no

asciilifeform: normal people can get -pure- nginx

asciilifeform: cpanel - no.

asciilifeform: normal people can get mod_wsgi if they want it.

asciilifeform: on normal computer.

asciilifeform: like normal people.

asciilifeform: would like to run the fucking app without changes

asciilifeform: because it is ludicrous

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: again i don't want python serving up statics

asciilifeform: the whole thing was written in about a day, if you recall, in a mighty hurry

asciilifeform: not own, l0l

asciilifeform: simplest possible thing

asciilifeform: read the src if interested (under the user i created)

asciilifeform: that serves up http

asciilifeform: it's a continuous process

asciilifeform: it isn't a script

asciilifeform: normally this is achieved by having apache (or nginx) pass through to, e.g., python

asciilifeform: static and dynamic content servers

asciilifeform: and i want -one- log

asciilifeform: i want the two to restart together

asciilifeform: this is ludicrous

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> you can just have your python run off cron << how both will restart synchronized ?

asciilifeform: it has to be nginx or a (human) apache

asciilifeform: mno. need to serve some static pgs

asciilifeform: the requiring apache (and not just any, but cpanel's custom) is cpanelism

asciilifeform: it poisons every single config on the box, and assumes php

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> i am still awaiting your gentoo canonical << not even objecting to the linux flavour of that box, but to the cpanel idiocy

asciilifeform: 'how do i make?' 'like this..'

asciilifeform: fleet of.

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform welcopme to linux world alfie << wtf linux world is this. i must've been living in a parallel one since quitting bsd ('04)

asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> heh who with a girl hasn't? << nor me either

asciilifeform: and -so easy-

asciilifeform: hey, it makes holes, right?

asciilifeform: reminds me of an old neighbour of mine, who kept a 'colt 1911' - in his toolbox. with the drills, etc.

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes i suspect in this sense git may be TOO easy to use << precisely this

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform so it has no python ios the idea << it has python and even, apparently, the headers, but can't see'em

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

asciilifeform: but will have to wait for the full shebang.

asciilifeform: anyone who reads the code will probably lean to agreeing with my take on this, which is that this is one of the 1,001 things which is not happening as a simple patch

asciilifeform: for kicking a few enumerated badnesses

asciilifeform: right now there is only the retarded 'Dos(N, ...)' thing

asciilifeform: (which crap out 100+v)

asciilifeform: they also sell a 'buck' (vs 'boost') version of same, for use with piezos

asciilifeform: unrelated, http://www.linear.com/product/LTC3108

asciilifeform: very intelligent

asciilifeform: try the housecats in recoleta

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-limits-of-propaganda.html << or him

asciilifeform: again, for the current application, i have no objection to the way it is set up. it won't be issuing launch codes.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is that thing connected to ipkvm or other device that would allow it to be re-os'd without taking an airplane ?

asciilifeform: but for the humble application in mind here, can live with it

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc it is one of those beasts that infests a machine to such a degree that it cannot really be removed in the sense of restoring the thing to virginity

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didn't miss. occupied with meatspace crap atm.

asciilifeform: it's a throwaway turd, l0l, not real article

asciilifeform: can chop the url and get the site per se, aha

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113609 ☝︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: let's phrase another way: if you're riding on something that can be monkeyed with en route without subverting bitcoin wholesale, you are not riding on bitcoin.

asciilifeform: and you don't want to. sleep easier at night.

asciilifeform: if you don't know what they are - you do not have this problem.

asciilifeform: i use it there.

asciilifeform: and where literally nothing else will reasonably suffice.

asciilifeform: there are actually a few applications which call for the blockchain telegraph

asciilifeform: or use a session key

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: want ephemeral - use irc etc

asciilifeform: (and not as the idiot header string or the other similar variants)

asciilifeform: in this sense, you in fact have -not- used bitcoin to transmit a message unless you wrote it into the blockchain -as transaction-

asciilifeform: let the winds blow.

asciilifeform: and the sooner they die, in fact, the better.

asciilifeform: whereas items that are 'poorly bolted down', and could tear loose, esp. in the face of tremendous pressure by enemy to disable telegraph - are not a foundation for anything

asciilifeform: my sketch for 'telegraph' was based on the axiom that only that which is irrevocably part of bitcoin proper, is worth building on

asciilifeform: just as rejecting obvious ddos is part of same

asciilifeform: this is not a 'moral judgement' but clean observation re: what makes for an effective node

asciilifeform: and sooner thrown out, the more room for legit tx.

asciilifeform: that is to say, something not properly 'of bitcoin'

asciilifeform: one that won't - is garbage