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trinque: asciilifeform: tried to make accessible is fine by this standard
Framedragger: yeah that was my conclusion. so, guess will do. mk.
asciilifeform: trinque: except that it doesn't enable anybody -- if autoconf fails to find the headers, you are just as fucked as ever, gotta sit and puzzle out what environment flags to give it so that it has a sporting chance
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 15:51 asciilifeform: to expand: say your proggy uses, i dunno, pthreads. wants to know where to find the header. WHY does this turn into a MB of scriptolade liquishit ? rather than a 1liner, that tries to find it and if not finds, prompts the user ?
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637034 << i was planning to use pthreads for a prototype thingie for tmsr :( "EVERYTHING IS BAD" ☝︎☟︎
trinque: if we're all equal, that guy can get laid too.
trinque: because trying to enable luser that wouldn't be able to say. it's a sort of accessability for the disabled.
asciilifeform: it is not a mystery that such a thing originated from people with NO concept of hygiene.
asciilifeform: to expand: say your proggy uses, i dunno, pthreads. wants to know where to find the header. WHY does this turn into a MB of scriptolade liquishit ? rather than a 1liner, that tries to find it and if not finds, prompts the user ? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 03:23 phf: well, since asciilifeform's not here "let them eat nagant! wake me up when less stupid people!"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 14:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526632 << this is entirely correct. the 'problem' which autoconf pretends (yes, pretends) to 'solve', is EVIL
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526720 << thread. ☝︎
asciilifeform: a fix for a 'problem' that simply does not exist on a halfway-wellmaintained system.
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me that autoconf was EVER necessary
trinque: just caught, like trb, here's how it was
trinque: I dunno the existing C world can ever be expected to be fixed in the manner you imply.
asciilifeform: vpatches are to be ~readable~.
asciilifeform: the far bigger boojum is that ~95% of the tarballs include megabytes of autoconf liquishit. ☟︎
asciilifeform: if only it, though.
trinque: aha, that problem remains.
asciilifeform: (yes, motherfucking binaryturdolade in 'open sores' tars. e.g., graphics.)
asciilifeform: trinque: my last attempt at 'vtronic portage' ran into the brick wall of 'there are nongenesisable items in the tarballss'
trinque: also costless abandonment of branches ; nothing to back out in the vpatched material
trinque: but then the decision tree is there in V instead of buried in the code
trinque: often yes having the same patches ground onto each path
trinque: subject there was ifdef throughout the code vs having multiple branches descending from the point multi-arch began
trinque: we discussed this for trb openbsd patches
trinque: hm, possibly. though it's also possible I trust two separate paths down the v-tree for that
asciilifeform: x11 and traditional
asciilifeform: actually trinque i know of at least 2
trinque: and if some idiot provides a vpatch that enables dbus, you simply do not use his key in .wot ☟︎
trinque: I don't expect that there would for example be a diversity of republican emacs builds
trinque: asciilifeform: it occurs to me that v-ports-tree oughtn't *need* USE flags or package.mask ; those are bad solutions to "have a better WoT"
shinohai performs service, takes her money, signs off with a hearty "Mazel Tov, cyka!"
mircea_popescu: but that's like antisemitism!
shinohai: I actually had a Russian camgirl that asked if I was Jew before she paid for services, she said she didn't like jews and wouldn't pay them xD
shinohai: !~translate en to uk wtf hairy-armed jewishness is this?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/englezu-e-cel-mai-prost-dintre-oi/ << Trilema - Englezu' e cel mai prost dintre oi
mircea_popescu: somebody needs to be blonder, wtf hairy-armed jewishness is this.
mircea_popescu: ah nm ukr. i thouight those tiles looked familiar.
mircea_popescu: is this another columbian chick ?
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8jykoQVoAAiH-Z.jpg <<< Someone needs to scrub their grout.
mircea_popescu: phf the main objection to your quiet style is that now i can't discern whether you a) understood the arguments and are thinking about it ; b) simply didn't understand the arguments or c) understood what was said but didn't judge it any kind of argument. express yourself, don't repress yourself! ☟︎
shinohai: jhvh1 is busy terrorizing jews, but said to send you these retro titties: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8kTtv2XcAEqFuR.jpg
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2204446DCBD265FE12EFCBA2E347BD3E6479D9A22D9DC5587F44F5627E1124E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1683...5917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.108.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.108.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2204446DCBD265FE12EFCBA2E347BD3E6479D9A22D9DC5587F44F5627E1124E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1452...9489 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.108.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.108.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 02:19 mircea_popescu: leaving aside that if you got to meet beria it was all fun and games from there on, the "discotheque" was a thing even for plebs.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636903 << old sovj0ke: 'flyer hangs on barrack door in buchenvald: 'tonight: DISCOTHEQUE! machine gunner Hans will play his two new disks !' ☝︎
asciilifeform: (big heavy thing, with msdos box attached, no less.)
asciilifeform: at asciilifeform's first (dis)honest job, there was a scintillator counting machine based on this principle.
asciilifeform: if you wanted to be even more clever, could use strictly beta detector, and rely on the fact that the things go in two opposite geometric directions every time.
asciilifeform: ( now, good q is 'why do this?' and answer is -- 'you get analogue rng that is VERIFIABLE, just like the digital board in fg.' because you can pick up decay from below/above the board !!) ☟︎
asciilifeform: there is, however, a correct part for this : 'PIN diode.' i have an experimental setup with one. at some point we might offer a fg rng module based on it. but not yet.
asciilifeform: this means GHz counters, in the most obvious embodiment
asciilifeform: (whereever you are -- there is background gamma)
asciilifeform: now the other, moar exotic, approach, is that you can try to extract mass entropy from background gamma
mircea_popescu: i imagine some of the best electronics for rng would be satellites. measure it straight in the solar panels!
asciilifeform: it is one of the two reasons we aren't selling one (the other being, that it is difficult to get even mild isotope, through post office)
asciilifeform: upstack mircea_popescu had the right notion, though, it is difficult to build a decay rng that does not rot.
asciilifeform: but yes, the taper off to zero is at a few m.
asciilifeform: ( if it were 'm' : tesla's 'death ray' -- would work. )
mircea_popescu: phase velocity of light in water is like .75, so if the water glows blue there's electrons there going > .75, meaning they'll go a few meters.
asciilifeform: aha, so is the chair fall..
asciilifeform: i.e. theoretically -- yes.
asciilifeform: beta will go a mile like mircea_popescu will sit down in his chair and go through the floor and into china sea.
mircea_popescu: nah, fast ion - matter interaction is iffy. they can go a mile.
asciilifeform: they go ~0 distance ~into~ the solid.
mircea_popescu: its presence means there's fast moving electrons.
asciilifeform: that's the tricky bit. also cherenkov has 0 to do with mechanism here, straight charge transfer.
mircea_popescu: sram in cherenkov, while the cells last.
asciilifeform: put the von neumann debiaser in each 'pixel', also.
asciilifeform: i've given some serious thought to 'what would be highest bit rate honest rng possible with current tech'
mircea_popescu: it wasn't hot enough to melt concrete phf.
phf: look at you connecting things like some kind of terrorist
mircea_popescu: now that's a point.
asciilifeform: and the reason for this is this.
mircea_popescu: eh, i don't expect worldwide usage of otp ticker exceeds 1mbps.
mircea_popescu: oh, oh, for YOUR test beds. i see. lol
asciilifeform: for the test beds, noshit
mircea_popescu: dunno why you'd want more than a coupla anyway. it's redundant to all fuck.
asciilifeform: (apparently no moar than 13 FUCKGOATS can be plugged into 1 usb host. because Reasons.)
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'XHCI (usb 3.0) in linux kernel is limited to 32 devices. It looks like a bug.'
mircea_popescu: and this is BEFORE doing per capita regularization.
mircea_popescu: more of a scene in fucking 42 leningrad than buenos aires ever saw.
mircea_popescu: the notion that ~at any point~ teh russkis lacked a night life is borne out of a very strange life.
phf has a sudden urge to get some vodka and zakuska "nu chto, bratci, odahnem, so vkusom! eeeeeeh!"
mircea_popescu: phf they pretend to be millennials. in point of fact are apes.
shinohai: "Hey this water makes our skin more brown, so we aren't pasty like the Chileans!"
mircea_popescu: shinohai yes. their official beach where everyone goes is actually untreated sewage. they don't care.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside that if you got to meet beria it was all fun and games from there on, the "discotheque" was a thing even for plebs. ☟︎
shinohai: Is it as shitty as Tijuana, where sewage spills go unnoticed for weeks? http://archive.is/nvFEL
mircea_popescu: this isn't to say that pre-peron argentina wasn't a major world power, it was. but at no point was greenwich village what lifetime ohioan poet imagined it to be ; and similarily the hallucinated argentina of borges is a place exactly in the sense hemingway's manhood is a manhood or blair's civilisation is a civilisation.
mircea_popescu: phf that argentina is essentially a scam. it never existed ; much like vhs america never existed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform argentina ? it's great for a week, and for a month. it's horrible for longer because the people are such subhuman shits.
ben_vulpes: well yes i'm familiar with how the bits are laid down, but i am less familiar with how trb handles it internally
asciilifeform: ( or your own parser, for that matter ! )
asciilifeform: tx format was exhaustively described therein.
asciilifeform: phf: that's whole planet. with possible exception of japan -- country of nursing home.
phf: asciilifeform: i think the main objection is that it's a country of millenials, lota pretense, not much doing
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: q more along the lines of "what is least necessary to write to disk in order to be useful later"