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mircea_popescu: yes, anyone can read it. i went to a swinger's club yest, anyone could look at my bitches.
mircea_popescu: suppose ninjashogun wants to push a patch for deedbot. or, whatever, the cardano.
asciilifeform: b-a software paradigm?
PeterL: we have a software paradigm now?
asciilifeform: hence definable. and works, like mathematics, rather than like sand castle built in a cesspit.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for the theoretically minded : would you say the b-a software paradigm is open source or closed source ?
asciilifeform: a greybeard once described the modern computer as 'apartment with plumbing but no sewer connection'
mircea_popescu: they use exaclty a biological implementation of personal sovereignity to build open but not too open systems that survive well in the world.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, living things seem a little more advanced than our computers on this exact path
asciilifeform: a whole gang of vultures 'embraced and extended' them, including but not limited to microshit
asciilifeform: www in the html-js-and-extension-crud sense is a case of standards 'so open their brains fall out'
mircea_popescu: PeterL well, yes. "a man in charge" situation.
mircea_popescu: that';s a good point.
asciilifeform: 'flash' survives precisely because it is a mostly opaque binary format, which browsers can't 'spread democracy to'
PeterL: I might just break down and get a newer computer sometime
PeterL: I don't feel like I need flash enough to get a whole new browser
mircea_popescu: PeterL yeah, flash running browsers have been a ubuntu specialty.
JorgePasada: PeterL: Couldn't you just download a custom browser package that has a version of flash bundled with it then?
JorgePasada: PeterL: You running something with a PowerPC chip?
asciilifeform: PeterL: it is worth thinking about why 'flash' remains a thing.
pete_dushenski: i suppose you could use a subkey for gribble and keep the master airgapped
pete_dushenski: so i guess the question is whether keeping a key online for gribble authing is *that* much of a risk
mircea_popescu: ah, hamburg is a nice town
mircea_popescu: course then russia was trying to join california in the warsaw pact, and a bunch of topless aggitator chicks kept fucking the pot,
mircea_popescu: at some point in the cold war, the united states president was a totally inept ninkompoop, principally remembered for having taken his shoes off in the un council. this guy had an oversized military and inept economic policies that stalled the country. his fellow americans didn't think much of him, kept making little mistakes.
mircea_popescu: easiest thing in the world is a mistake. the fucking cold war was won not by any other means than... mistakes.
mircea_popescu: gotta understand that any big bad only exists as a work of fiction, otherwise is simply a collection of men. gotta give those men ways out, so that "mysterious" and "inexplicable" things happen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, and suppose you see a message from me using sha1 when you know i use sha512.
asciilifeform: but more relevant to printers. fact is, reading anything technical that wasn't formatted for a particular page shape, and suffer idiot breaks.
mircea_popescu: a man is not required to inherit his father's warts.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, asylum, which i typeset myself, was printed as a pdf. the house ran a large web press, did my run in like three hours.
asciilifeform: incidentally, they have quite a bit of clever automatics re: reflow
mircea_popescu: dude. i question it even makes sense to have a good programming language right back at ya!
mircea_popescu: you know, while this may well be a pn complete problem in the general case,
mircea_popescu: well yes, because printers are still by and large about as smart as a public servant.
mircea_popescu: nobody perceived a need for pdf back before sept 1993 did they ?
asciilifeform: plenty of people who aren't the least bit idiotic or government-affiliated want to package a document and have it appear exactly the same on the other end of the wire.
mircea_popescu: then those idiots become a group large enough to drive fashions.
asciilifeform: i did write a gizmo that outputs graphical render for the pages, but realized that the bandwidth and disk cache costs would break my back, and then let the domain go to the vultures.
mircea_popescu: well, you gotta remember, a thing made is always a platform for further things.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla, mircea_popescu, others - re: 'nopdf' - i actually used to own 'nopdf.com' and planned to put a similar widget there. (2009-ish?)
Adlai: s/ a /different/
Adlai: they're both the same overall protocol, just a serialization formats and signature algorithms
Adlai: that took way too fucking long and is just as [in]secure as using a privkey >_<
Adlai: punkman: ugh, it's sending me an encrypted otp, but responds to eauth with "Error: You have not registered a GPG key. Try using bcauth instead, or register a GPG key first."
Adlai: Adlai | oh, a better question would be "in which keyserver does gribble look"
Adlai: how do i add a gpg identity to my gribble account? i'm already registered with a bitcoin address, and gribble responds to eregister and echangekey with "Error: Username already registered. Try a different username."
punkman: I can't get a decent gingerbeer around here, been considering brewing my own
Adlai: gribble | Error: Username already registered. Try a different username. << fucker
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` http://www.fustar.info/2010/05/04/the-9th-circle-film-club-cybertracker-1994/ << this guy wanted a tshirt, in like 2010
mircea_popescu: incomprehensible the void powering these... things, whatever they are. what was he doing before, talking to a bottle of draino about how he's bald in spirit, just like the genie guy ?
mircea_popescu: things just got too redditesque all of a sudden.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2014 22:35:52; mircea_popescu: "Thank you for this clarification Mr. Nakamoto. It has been an honor to be labeled by my friends as "Satoshi's Drunk Uncle" and it's a moniker I'll wear proudly until the day I retire from Crypto. The Goldcoin (GLD) developers truly admire your work and strive to continue improving upon its design as a tribute to your unparallelled genius. Your admirer and relative in spirit, MicroGuy."
mircea_popescu: so he's basically a drunk ?
Adlai has to wait at least a week though, his qntry needs him
Adlai: so this is a fairly important avenue to explore
Adlai: but running scalpl on something other than btcfiat has been on the back burner for a long time, in part due to not wanting to touch any glitzy forex gambler-traps
Adlai will be away for a while
kakobreklaa: not much to it, you send a signcrypted message to socket and get back an answer, just like mpex works
kakobreklaa: i have a 0mq that will eat pgp
mircea_popescu: a spoonful of dung has very big possibility, in the future.
zanza: cool :) I think it is a great idea
mircea_popescu: zanza if it helps you, kakobrekla had ~100 btc investment from F.MPIF for a few months, in his panacea forex fund. he paid back.
mircea_popescu: " After selling his ISP company in 2007, he began work as a researcher and advocate for digital currencies. He enjoys working as a freelance writer and is editor in chief at Altcoin Press." totally, 5 year gap in the mongoloid's cv. spent 2007-2013 staring at a brick.
zanza: Kakobrekla, may I ask, does running the Bit4x site have a lot of risk for you? i mean if prices change
mircea_popescu: "In my last post, I posited a fictional world, Crypton, where no governments1 back up contracts with the threat of force2."
mircea_popescu: "investments" they're called. mpoe-pr was totally a smart way to use money huh.
mircea_popescu: "I lost a shit load in investments. I dont have anymore BTC left."
ben_vulpes: Adlai: do us all a favor, and send the mailing list an email, yeah?
chalbersma: When I get a chance to do some hacking I'll be sure to.
mircea_popescu: PeterL "HTTP gateway timed out". caching's a must.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla feature request : when assbot parses a pdf url, can it spit it out with http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/convert.py?docurl= prefixed for convenience, while also making a http request so as to start the conversion ? ☟︎
PeterL: I wonder if I should be caching a copy of documents so that it does not have to do the conversion for everybody clicking the link you just posted?
scoopbot: New post on BTC Scoop by peter: http://blog.btcscoop.com/nopdf-a-pdf-to-text-conversion-tool/
RagnarDanneskjol: not a tax - those are fees - paying for a service - one can opt out. point taken on moral vs legal imperative.. its the imperative part i'm still struggling with
mircea_popescu: making it a moral imperative rather than a legal imperative is also important, precisely because the ancient style of voluntary taxation is actually superior, on all scores, to whatever coercitive crap the socialists are doing today.
mircea_popescu: anyway, arguing against all tax may be a difficult tack for your average business trying to get on with its business rather than become noam chomsky.
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu i suppose the notion of taxation in any form makes my brain burn -whether it be through force, state declaration or moral requirement. I am all in favor of the foundation and will likely contribute more than .01% of my earnings to it, but pressing a moral obligation or establishing a rule/precedent for 'taxation' for anyone participating in btc commerce just doesn't make
assbot: A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21
RagnarDanneskjol: chalbersma - also worth mentioning (what's wrong w/ the 'official' ver): http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html
decimation: there's nothing like reading a slow signal on an old analog scope
assbot: Introducing A New Bitcoin Foundation | Qntra.net
RagnarDanneskjol: http://qntra.net/2014/11/introducing-a-new-bitcoin-foundation/
RagnarDanneskjol: well, the folks here started a movement to roll back btc core development to a pristine, decrufted state
decimation: I had to add a few headers
decimation: asciilifeform: I did mange to get it working on openbsd, I think it wedged in a different spot
asciilifeform: i also wrote a few of the simple patches found on jurov's site right now
asciilifeform: (other than being the devil who led these folks into the temptation of trying to craft a 'reference implementation.')
asciilifeform: i did the last merge personally, and i think a few folks here are using it
asciilifeform: (which others must sign? this question has not been formally answered yet. on account of there not being a real maintainer.)
asciilifeform: that is, it must address a specific thing, and patch is not really considered worthwhile until other participants are willing to sign it.
asciilifeform: but unless i am mistaken, mircea_popescu is proceeding from an understanding that a quality reference implementation will require paid experts.
decimation: to sign a deed?
RagnarDanneskjol: i get it. there is quite a bit of volunteer support about to flood this channel for this purpose
assbot: La Serenissima: Sovereign, Declares Tithe³ | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
decimation: heh. I wonder if he used this as a defense of his anti-dividend policy
mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately, earnings reported in corporate financial statements are no longer the dominant variable that determines whether there are any real earnings for you, the owner. For only gains in purchasing power represent real earnings on investment. If you (a) forego ten hamburgers to purchase an investment; (b) receive dividends which, after tax, buy two hamburgers; and (c) receive, upon sale of your holdings, aft
mircea_popescu: the fact that thew system offers a strong guarantee that any deed can be verified in 1 step is valuable.
mircea_popescu: punkman so how would a 3rd party verify the contentless signature is anything ?
mircea_popescu: jesus the wot is packed so thight you can't even throw a rock at the swamp without hitting someone