asciilifeform: mats: waitasec i thought you were a reverser

asciilifeform: it was rather like a liquid bread.

asciilifeform: chetty: very different beer from the watery crud of today

asciilifeform: it's the liberast 'mandatory explanation' for africa.

asciilifeform: 2) 'arm a9' as in the various popular boards like 'banana'

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 1) it doesn't ship, it's a 'kickstarter' l0l

asciilifeform: 'arsenal of democracy' l0l

asciilifeform: decimation: neato

asciilifeform: to bed.

asciilifeform: d

asciilifeform to be

asciilifeform: or auditable rng, etc.

asciilifeform: 3) i won't spoil all of the surprises, but the usb gadget pictured in the photo on cryptomuseum's www does not look anywhere near large enough to contain, e.g., independent power source

asciilifeform: imho it is worth looking into, because 1) without question they are under the usg glass dome and 2) serious, otherwise educated folks may very well be in the chumpset

asciilifeform: sure!

asciilifeform wonders if the machines evolved in the same direction as mils's www site

asciilifeform: if the 'museum' is to be believed, these people - until very recently - sold exclusively vernamators.

asciilifeform: as the infamous crypto ag did (does!)

asciilifeform: but to likewise private concerns

asciilifeform: these outfits don't normally sell to governments (outside of turkmenistan's weight class) - these issue gear to own personnel -

asciilifeform: why would bloomberg et al necessarily know anything of it

asciilifeform: and isn't it a private firm ?

asciilifeform: either this, or 'crypto museum' has a great deal to answer for.

asciilifeform: (holding co. owning assets of a historic carcass)

asciilifeform: i bet it's a walking corpse, like symbolics tech. 1998+

asciilifeform: ^ the more recent history has the flavour of being literally copied from a spambrochure

asciilifeform: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/manuf/mils << further re: mils corp.

asciilifeform: and uses a mechanical one of own design

asciilifeform: unlike every other schizo afaik, davis is not satisfied merely with wetware shannonizer

asciilifeform: re: certified nutters: did we ever get terry davis in here ?

asciilifeform: it - almost audibly, squeaks.

asciilifeform: at least, lubricate it on occasion

asciilifeform: fella needs to tune his shannonizer methinks

asciilifeform: and i bet folks using the diddled otptrons would be very excited to learn what has been done to them.

asciilifeform: this is by no means an urgent matter, i ask now so that possibly can learn answer year, two, three, from now.

asciilifeform: even if brought $maxint

asciilifeform: and i have my doubts that they would sell to me in particular

asciilifeform: $maxint presumably

asciilifeform: but there is no question that sc4mz0r1ng. just that they do ship actual iron, it floats around. but i wish to learn, at some point, how they poison it

asciilifeform: ^ pathological misers also explain

asciilifeform: afaik they are presently the only vendor offering (claimed) otptrons of whatever variety.

asciilifeform: but i have long wished to ascertain -what kind- of scam.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally a scam

asciilifeform: (their site barely works. esp. hilarious for folks who sell a $maxint gadget)

asciilifeform: speaking of which, anyone have, or know of someone who knows of someone who have, in the flesh, products from vendor: http://www.mils.com

asciilifeform: what kind of dope does one have to take to be at the slightest risk from this pitch ?

asciilifeform: wat even is this horror

asciilifeform: well, submarine also works, sure.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: nah systematic is - atomic dirigible.

asciilifeform: http://kobolt.dyndns.org/infocenter/index.php?article=8 << otp is perennial favourite of folks writing own cipherator

asciilifeform: use your imagination.

asciilifeform: incidentally this battery is a very good beginner lathe project.

asciilifeform: not hard (include a silver oxide watch cell)

asciilifeform: which would've been a classy touch

asciilifeform: i also do not know if the battery actually supplied the requisite 1.5v

asciilifeform: (and a cyanide pen, which he used successfully)

asciilifeform: ^ i do not know if this belonged to ogorodnik, the famous ru traitor in whose case a battery figured

asciilifeform: http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/pics/csis-battery.jpg << otp holder.

asciilifeform: otp paper traditionally was selected to burn crisply

asciilifeform: and people did.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: aha you can smoke it

asciilifeform: fit handily in arse safe - with magnifier, yes

asciilifeform: not so bulky, either.

asciilifeform: https://www.csis.gc.ca/hstrrtfcts/images/photos/max_truck2.jpg << historic otp

asciilifeform: (and tape was considerably easier to zap)

asciilifeform: so it isn't a recent thing

asciilifeform: e.g., a 4mm tape circa '95, held a good bit of otp

asciilifeform: historic as in history of pgp

asciilifeform: bulky ?

asciilifeform: it weighs a gram or so.

asciilifeform: i'm holding a 64GB microsd in my left hand

asciilifeform: (in english lands often called vernam for the putative inventor of it there)

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu has it

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i often wonder how many folks who use (used?) pgp historically, only habitually communicated with one party, and would've been better served by vernam

asciilifeform: nor even reason to think that most such keys are not - cooked for the occasion and not advertised

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what keys are used in mpex is between the users and mpex, i haven't the slightest notion of what goes on there

asciilifeform: ^ this would explain it

asciilifeform: <BingoBoingo> Eh, I'm not sure how many keys that get "life critical" use would be in the "strong set" anyways << mircea_popescu has a link earlier, with strong set, and how it doesn't seem to contain almost anyone we know of any reason to give a fuck about

asciilifeform: it is even conceivable that cockroach is aware of boots.

asciilifeform: notice that being aware, isn't a get-out-of-shit card

asciilifeform: but, <mircea_popescu> ... either you charge to your doom or you get shot for treason.

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform i dun think you qualify << why the hell not

asciilifeform: given as, e.g., many forms of de-facto income are not taxed in any way whatsoever

asciilifeform: the whole % thing is bogus

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: (or, in most cases, separating you from your crumbs was not a thermodynamic win)

asciilifeform: if you can be dekulakized - that wealth wasn't really yours. some nice fella just felt like letting you use it for a spell.

asciilifeform: dekulakization is the textbook separation of money from folks who thought it automagically bought power.

asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204 ☝︎

asciilifeform: this is called 'dekulakization'

asciilifeform: ^ obvious as daylight

asciilifeform: wai wut

asciilifeform 'knows what means' for what that's worth

asciilifeform l0lz as usual, because is one of these people

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... because they will never own anything, and because they don't even know what that means << :

asciilifeform: it isn't like enemy didn't get a copy of ciphertext in transit..

asciilifeform: folks who don't give a damn ?

asciilifeform: <danielpbarron> [,duh'pib] or [,duh'puhb] or ['dee'pee'bee] << I go with the third << i favour 'dehpehbeh', like 'kgb' is pronounced. but that's just me.

asciilifeform: who knew