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mircea_popescu: from cursory examination this'd require however introducing the notion of wrap, extant clients do not care, split by char.
mircea_popescu: i just want it to frag correctly, treat [][] as a single word, if not fit, put in new line.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like a client that warns when about to frag line ( but can't be currently aroused to try an' patch 'xchat', 'irssi', other horrors )
mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
mircea_popescu: in fairness though, this should be fixed at client level.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:09:53 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933229 << i don't think there's anything wrong with removing the fragment of a [][] from the 2nd line and putting it in 1st.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: initially i wrote perlisms to generate'em, then thought 'wtf' and rewrote in peh proper
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:08:18 asciilifeform: 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933228 << i don't even think it's a cheat, fwiw. more like mastery.
BingoBoingo: Restaurants not on the pipe gas network usually go for 45kg tanks in pairs.
BingoBoingo: 13kg tank of "supergas" is ~month of cooking for most folk's I've talked to.
asciilifeform: it only even begins to make sense in locales where the gas is actually mined
BingoBoingo: Doing busses off of LPG here would fuck up the local energy market so much...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:27 BingoBoingo: But no, instead they wank that electric busses are coming soon enough
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933181 << ~90% of bus in washingtonistan, run on compressed propane nao. ( massive tank on roof )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:17:45 mircea_popescu: there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas,
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:16:59 mircea_popescu: dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933168 << the 'ru-ar' d00d claimed that current fuhrer had these cleaned. but i'd believe when see with own eyes (and i dun have expedition planned to peronistan just to find whether troo..)
asciilifeform: there's a pretty large pile of broken []isms in the historic log
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 16:00:20 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1)
asciilifeform 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:54:34 mircea_popescu: i expect going forward tests will be 10x to 100x the vpatch bulk
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933202 << ffa test tapes already weigh 150+MB collectively
asciilifeform: ( fwiw i suspect that there's no escape from the 2cycle motors anywhere, with possible exception of where Mocky went, where only dukes get driver license and commoners must instead camel )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:13 BingoBoingo: Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933180 << this, and the 1e6 grass-cutter-engined puttputts. prolly the 1 thing asciilifeform didn't like in BingoBoingostan . the humidity concentrates the gas, also
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933213 << ty diana_coman ! i'ma put'em on my www tomorrow
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/ << Trilema -- So I was thinking...
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, I don't seem to have gotten that pingback though?
mircea_popescu: within the minute anyways
mircea_popescu: lol check it out diana_coman , we pinged each other at the ~same exact time
diana_coman: I've finally got around to making the changes from http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/ and it works wonderfully! e.g. http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/?b=Logotron&e=#select
billymg: ah ty diana_coman
diana_coman: oh, nice work billymg ! I can fully appreciate having a testing suite esp reflecting the spec like that, nice.
mircea_popescu: not that i see the benefit of retargetting to say python or bash ; nor does it seem sensible to do php work in cl. but as a principle.
mircea_popescu: the one cool thing about a complete testing suite is that it'd even allow rewriting into other langs.
billymg: looking forward to when i can get out of the salt mines and dedicate more time to this, especially when the test suite is complete and i can get back to the mass deleting
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:27:57 spyked: ] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ?
mircea_popescu: i expect going forward tests will be 10x to 100x the vpatch bulk
mircea_popescu: ^ example of ~20kb patch that's well justified.
feedbot: http://billymg.com/2019/09/additional-tests-for-mp-wp-now-according-to-spec/ << billymg -- Additional tests for mp-wp, now according to spec
BingoBoingo: And in truly grave signs, Argentina's beef exports are UP. As in fire sale: https://archive.is/MlajJ
BingoBoingo: Then again probably better they crowd into Punta Del Este than price the Venezolanas out of Centro, Ciudad Vieja, and Tres Cruces in Montevideo.
BingoBoingo: Punta del Este has no industry for 10 and a half months out of the year.
BingoBoingo: The only place in Uruguay suited to Porteño tastes is PUNTA DEL ESTE!
BingoBoingo: Also preliminary inqueries suggest the Argentines looking to escape into Uruguay... aren't asking about Montevideo. Nor are they asking about opportunities in the Interior either...
BingoBoingo: Same reason they's insist on one across the river.
BingoBoingo: Finns also brought a "We're free to walk away from the pulp mill at any time" clause in their development contract.
BingoBoingo: Right now Uruguay's a hyrdro country with some wind wank. There's rivers here. There's no coal though, only basalt. Finns recently committed to pulping the Eucalyptus.
mircea_popescu: and then the electricity, they're gonna make on coal fired plants or what.
BingoBoingo: Because the filters would cost something like ~500 USD per bus and the current Fat Forehead cardboard artist regime would rather derp about "all electric any time nao"
mircea_popescu: why don't they, anyway ?
BingoBoingo: But no, instead they wank that electric busses are coming soon enough
BingoBoingo: Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses"
mircea_popescu: i suppose the air is cleaner than in, say, bogota. on account of all of argentina having less industry than bogota.
mircea_popescu: the downtown is ~especially~ filthy, at that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So get ready for the punchline. The ground is NOT in their pictures!
mircea_popescu: it is not true re area around obelisk. i lived there, for like a year, literally on the block 1 of corrientes, within 50m of the actual obelisk.
BingoBoingo: The latinos appear to make their claim off of the area near the obelisk which they conveniently have pictures of.
mircea_popescu: there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas,
mircea_popescu: are you fucking kidding me ? there's no place in europe or the us, or mexico or fucking anywhere nearly as filthy,
mircea_popescu: dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nor is it clean, in any sense. it's so fulla garbage as only india can compare. << Uruguay looks filthier than it ought to because the "Banco Provision Social" levies taxes on contructions and building work. Counted among these taxed works is... PAINTING
BingoBoingo: The Montevideans are just butthurt actually trying to build a metro on in the local basalt would bankrupt anyone.
mircea_popescu: their metro is possibly the worst in the world.
BingoBoingo: If you're going to sell a groom each other economy, the main streets better look clean.
BingoBoingo: And yet the derps protest "But Buenos Aires is so clean! Buenos Aires has a METRO!"; I counter protest they've gutted and crippled every industry they tried to the point all they do is groom each other an ride the metro.
BingoBoingo: ^ The pretense lasted a full 21 days before they went to to being retarded in the ways they were before. New boss, same as they old boss.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:39:29 spyked: ohey, just noticed ossabot standing in #spyked, ty diana_coman!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:29:11 trinque: or alternatively, where's my patch spyked ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true
spyked: imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill; as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine.
spyked: ircbot-handle-pong, that is.
spyked: ] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 21:33:22 trinque: btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time?
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932832 <-- hm. when I debugged feedbot, 1st thing I checked was how precisely it disconnects; found out that it was the ping-thread consistently calling ircbot-reconnect, which means that it timed out, i.e. [http://coad.thetarpit.org/feedbot/ircbot/c-ircbot.lisp.html#L91][ircbot-handle-pong
spyked: ohey, just noticed ossabot standing in #spyked, ty diana_coman!
BingoBoingo: lol, rocket scientists fucked by "software engineers are engineers too"
mircea_popescu: speaking of "consequences of bad software", the mars polar lander is suspiciously never mentioned.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in delightful antique trilema, http://trilema.com/2010/ghidul-enervarii/
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/amazon-begins-dictating-terms-to-local-police-as-it-builds-residential-video-surveillance-network/ << Qntra -- Amazon Begins Dictating Terms To Local Police As It Builds Residential Video Surveillance Network
mircea_popescu: i find it really satisfyingly funny, the sort of problems we manage to trivially summon
asciilifeform: the bots in these particular pairs, aha
diana_coman: at least as long as nobody cites the bots.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 18:18:11 diana_coman: ofc the above has also as side effect that bots are now in sync re line numbers
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 18:33:42 diana_coman: ofc the above has also as side effect that bots are now in sync re line numbers
asciilifeform: presently i doubt that this sorta thing can ever be safely 100% automated.
asciilifeform: sorta how gentoo used to have for configs.
asciilifeform: currently closest thing i have to a workable idea for this is a ~semi~-automatic item that'd eat N dbs and display, to operator, the divergence points, and propose all possible cuts for how to resolve; then select one.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: indeed; though atm I can't think of anything that isn't ~= automated walk of N dbs
asciilifeform: eventually ~will~ come the time when to reconstitute 100% proper picture gotta actually walk N db's .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: appears to work. we're gonna want an algo , tho, that doesn't resolve to 'throw out my db if outta sync and eat the other's' imho .
diana_coman: ofc the above has also as side effect that bots are now in sync re line numbers
diana_coman: the above mainly because it's a cleaner solution i.e. no more sed on the db dump (re db user I simply changed manually precisely *that* and not touched any log lines)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: in the end I did use your most recent dump, thank you.
asciilifeform: 'new jersey philosophy', right, where 'hey it's good enuff, and if turns out not, let ~others~ clean up'. same way as email 'was goodenuff', from the idjit designer's pov, until spam, then suddenly 'what's yer problem with moving to walled gul^H^H^Hgarden, terrorist, will work there as before'. ditto irc.