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xanthyos: coinbase makes it too easy! i thought they'd at least slow me down with a 2 factor phone auth
kakobrekla: yeah a 0mq would be nice
adlai: would've been nicer with &symbol= and push notifications and a unicorn pony but i'll settle for this :)
mike_c: you'd be selling a bitcoin for 0.9 btc.
artifexd: I'm just trying to make a decision to sell what I have, buy more, or wait some more.
kakobrekla: adlai http://q.b-a.link/?data=trades&since=1411033765 or http://q.b-a.link/?data=trades&since_id=12345
adlai: https://twitter.com/mpex1 also seems a little dead. tsk tsk, need to clean up the dead links!
assbot: 18 results for 'mpex socket' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mpex+socket
kakobrekla: >Global Advisors, a firm based in Jersey that manages the first regulated bitcoin fund, has been served notice by its bank, HSBC.
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2014 03:31:14; asciilifeform: and that a circus weight-lifter isn't the least bit strong, because perhaps my arse muscle is stronger yet than his biceps
asciilifeform: but one can see how a medic may be tempted
mircea_popescu: moreover, trying to pursue a "science of health" is the hallmark of pseudoscientific cockery.
asciilifeform: we don't have a 'science of intelligence' any more than medicine has a 'science of health'
adlai: maybe a bit more than ten minutes
asciilifeform: anyway - who wants to turn it into a science, i just threw in a freebie - physically testable hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i don't call this a science.
mircea_popescu: so then it's not a definition.
mircea_popescu: problem is i can build a machine with zero crosstalk and i won't have built an ai.
adlai: slight tangent (from reading about impedance) - why on earth are complex numbers introduced as a+bi when (magnitude,phase) is an infinitely more INTELLIGENT way of understanding them?
asciilifeform: an axon is a... transmission line.
asciilifeform: how do you impedence-match neurons with a pill ?
asciilifeform: probably measurable via purely physical means if we knew what to look for (ask a network engineer how he measures echos on lines)
mircea_popescu: this is a principle of what ? intelligence ?
mircea_popescu: adlai ah, this isn't an argument against such stuff. sure, reaction time is even a good proxy for things you may care about,
mircea_popescu: it's that endeavour where anything can be a principle.
mircea_popescu: a pseudoscience isn't that endeavour lcking principles,
mircea_popescu: belongs as a subset obscure philosophy, right there with aesthetics.
asciilifeform: about as much as physiology is a pseudoscience
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right, because a field without a definition can exist.
mircea_popescu: perhaps, but the label of magnetism is at least applied on some sort of interaction that yields a force.
adlai: ie, at any one point in time, for a given population, you can measure "beauty"
mircea_popescu: but honestly while there are intelligent people trying, i think it's a snipe hunt.
asciilifeform: they don't define it, normally. but they deduced a statistical item, called 'G', which is the overall correlation between the various tests in use
asciilifeform: found that intelligence test design ('psychometry') was still a going concern
asciilifeform: naturally the very concept of sitting down and solving a picture puzzle is learnable. this was clear to me. but i wanted a kind of 'carnot engine limit' of unlearnability.
asciilifeform: this was a fool's errand, but in the process, i ended up lifting the lid on an entire 'secret' field of psychometry
asciilifeform: 'can't train' as in, you could, idea being, take it every morning, and get a useful result re: your mental state on that day
asciilifeform: that is, a mechanized intelligence test that the victim 'can't train for'
asciilifeform: this is a subject that i have a little personal connection with. at one point, i spent almost two years of spare time working on what turned out to be 'fried ice' ☟︎
adlai: it's far from perfect, but it's a start
adlai: "ability of a brain/computer to model, predict, etc external processes"
asciilifeform: engineer may not know or give a fuck how magnetism is made of spins, but will use magnet all the same to good effect
asciilifeform: incomplete - sure. it's more a set of engineering formulae than a total philosophy.
asciilifeform: mactardism is a very visual field. it doesn't account much for function << complicated. apple corp. is still running on fumes from a gigantic tank of back-when-everything-else-was-a-joke in a number of palpable ways. see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132
asciilifeform: sorta how culinary science is plagued by disputes of taste but toxicology is a field.
gribble: Error: "bc,tslb" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: o look it has a "more" page. nm me.
mircea_popescu: damn that's a fast river then.
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badon: They don't call it a dark age for nothing.
badon: I compared what Europe was producing in the 11th century with what China was producing, and it's pathetic. You have to wonder if Europeans collectively decided to be retarded for a thousand years.
nubbins`: occasionally you'll find people afraid to offer a rare coin for sale
badon: It has a mintage of 200 for the silver version, and only around 10 specimens are known to have survived so far. More will probably show up as time goes by, but $4000 price tag did not bring any new ones to the market, which is strong evidence most of them are either melted or permanently in someone's collection.
badon: A lot of people got that wrong too.
badon: I thought it was a museum gift shop thing.
badon: nubbins`: The silver version I sold for $1200. A few months later the specimen was back on the market, and it sold for $4'000!
badon: nubbins`: Check this out, this is typical of a relatively unknown coin that can pop in value really quickly: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574935034&toolid=10001&campid=5336732290&customid=&icep_item=201226509197&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg
nubbins`: there's a couple hundred common ones that most koreans know
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hardphork! << i never applied that, no sympthoms. so no, not a fork at all.
nubbins`: went there for a big pottery festival
nubbins`: a lot of it on pottery
badon: IN that case, it's on a box, not a coin, but it's ridiculously intricate. Something like that in the West would cost a thousand bucks just for the box.
nubbins`: yeah the canadian mint did a series of Great Lakes coins where the lake bed was carved out of the coin, and filled with translucent blue enamel
nubbins`: specifically, looking for a Gemini
nubbins`: badon like i said, maybe a couple coins a year.
badon: I collected them for a while.
nubbins`: just thought it was a nice analogy :P
mircea_popescu: nubbins` imo all this "tech" stuff is a waste of time. i might buy a computer today because i want to use it.
nubbins`: CMYK print on a coin
mircea_popescu: "A requirement that all transactions go through regulated and transparent administrators subject to supervision by Australia authorities (rather than just the current block chain process);"
mircea_popescu: "As we have learned from the experiences emanating from the Mt. Gox Bitcoin exchange collapse, the existence of a "block chain" does nothing to allow law enforcement, other government authorities or the public to identify the real identity of the parties to a digital currency transaction."
nubbins`: stumbled across a perfect analogy
nubbins`: "give me a minute!"
gribble: George Carlin - A place for my stuff - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLoge6QzcGY>; George Carlin - A Place For My Stuff - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5yJpM0BGc8>; A Place for My Stuff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Place_for_My_Stuff>
mircea_popescu: ;;google a place for my stuff
nubbins`: badon, maybe so. i've got a handful of x-for-x coins, mostly just the nice ones
nubbins`: but i'd rather my $50 coin have a half-ounce of silver than not
badon: mircea_popescu: Beware big gold, you can lose a lot of money on it.
badon: The coin in the link had a metal value of over $14k. It sold for $9k.
Naphex: is there such a thing as intrisic value?
mircea_popescu: badon as long as you never pay more for a coin than the metal value you're safe enough.
mircea_popescu: i still don't see why some coins nobody gives a shit about would be intrinsically valuable.
badon: nubbins`: That's one reason why I like the Chinese coins so much. They're still producing rare coins each year, and Chinese collectors are mostly unaware of them. Canada is not populous enough to make a coin with a mintage of 25'000 extraordinarily valuable, but China is populous enough to make a coin with a mintage of 100 extraordinarily valuable. Make sense?
mircea_popescu: looks to me like something a kid made in paint.
mircea_popescu: jesus they need a faster server.
nubbins`: if a wildlife officer came across something that looked like that, he'd shoot it in the head
nubbins`: mircea_popescu look at the royal canadian mint for a perfect example. dozens of new designs per year, almost all of them would be "tales from the crypt volume 34" if they were books
badon: The CC is intended to serve as a historical record. Much of what we know about many coins would be completely lost eventually without the CC.
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/BN6M4/embed#0
nubbins`: silver round w/ a holo.
badon: nubbins`: Ah, so you've had a taste of the nectar of numismatics :)
badon: nubbins`: Start with a CC forum account, can you do that?
mircea_popescu: that's such a good hook for the online crowd.
badon: It's actually a fundamental market principle that information increases the value of the commerce.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i have more than once kicked a violent drunk out of a bar by suggesting that he leave 8)
badon: nubbins`: The CC will make you seem like a genius :)
badon: nubbins`: Only your expertise is needed. The CC project as a whole is led by me, and we have a professional data entry team to do the grunt work.