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jhvh1: shinohai: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid currency (1 more message)
shinohai: nope it performs pretty much exact same functions, though it shouldn't be too difficult to change it from buttfunex
mircea_popescu: shinohai why the fuck is it quoting bitfinex ?!
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1325.4, Best ask: 1326.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 1325.5, 24 hour volume: 8181.49424142, 24 hour low: 1293.2, 24 hour high: 1333.1, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647131 << in which we lol at how phf's logtron makes https clickable to 404. ☝︎☟︎
mod6: Eatblock test upto 363K+ blocks and into blk0019.
mod6: Update: Moving on to FG #2. Will collect just over 1.0 Gb and then do ent/dh tests.
mircea_popescu: looks more like some 30yo douche found pics going through "his" "gf's" phone, set up craiglist spam robot.
mircea_popescu: trinque shinohai meanwhiule deleted. thanks to scriba's archiving service i could read it.
mircea_popescu: davout i don't get it, what'd you ask around for ? people in the wot who you know but we somehow don't ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "who could have predicted failure to pay bills results in power outage" "california"
Framedragger: in which SF startups realise that hosting all infrastructure on multiple fault lines is not the greatest idea ever
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'Massive power outage hits San Francisco, shuts down businesses, BART station, cable cars, traffic lights...'
asciilifeform had a nice long walk to ps0toffice with pet, discussed the 'money as a property' vs 'hamiltons' mircea_popescuism
shinohai: Oh they are a gold mine, this one happened to be provided courtesy of a girl I did stream setup for xD
trinque: I see that I'm not the only one who reads CL personals for teh lulz
shinohai: In entertainment from mod6 's neck of the woods today: https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/cas/6098146692.html
davout: i'll be traveling for the two next weeks, but i'll ask around when coming back.
mircea_popescu: also, emily blunt is a fucking gorgon, what are all these people smoking. i'd rather watch barbara streisand gargle.
mircea_popescu: dumb broad and her lazy, ignorant teenaged sister go into business cleanning up crime scenes, start a fire.
mircea_popescu: was a film re this, pretty bad but relevant in context, what was it...
mircea_popescu: in no conceivable presentation is this a low hanging fruit. the odds of it actually being molested are lower than baseline
Framedragger currently checking ripe db etc to see how 2x4 hosts things. their dns servers are legally in seychelles.. etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hm, then davout could be the one.
mircea_popescu: recall, the whole "us wants base" debacle ? diego garcia ?
shinohai: asciilifeform: no I am entrenched in the Southern part of Reich unfortunately, would have to relocate to more friendly (and preferably Spanish-speaking) climes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, gotta be independent, they got a dispute with the uk over chagos.
mircea_popescu: afaik it was indepoendent. not been keeping much track.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc he moved to the pacific rimjob.
mircea_popescu: but you're people not trees, people travel for their job all the god damned fucking time.
asciilifeform: i thought he was a fr subject
asciilifeform: who, currently, other than mircea_popescu and hanbot meet the ground floor qualification ( physically residing outside of reich ) ?
Framedragger: (i mentioned 2x4 (russian hosting provider) above because they are known for not giving a fuck about dmca or other usg laws, and responding with "your mother" (sic) to requests to take down a hosted site which is running a botnet C&C)
mircea_popescu: why encourage terrorism sorta deal.
mircea_popescu: the only substitute i would consider from the fiat world would be a bulletproof variant, because i will literally not deal with peons who do not at least declaratively claim to not follow usg law.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no, re-re-read the line i said read insistently. you do get some boxes for vps ing out of. either because cheap or because obsolete etc.
asciilifeform: my current understanding is that plenty of folx will accept a crated server and plug it in, without questions.
mircea_popescu: because this is exactly what i wanted to do three hours ago and couldn't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope. a solved instance of this problem would be me going "hey x, i want a new server for eulora, what do you got that's good and where do i send the fuckgoats" which returns within a day or two with options and quotes which i pay which results in the server being live sometime next week.
Framedragger: ack re. flow/direction of law. but re. 'no ajax', i imagine the primary service offering being an unmanaged dedicated box, in which case i'd find it reasonable to require of the isp not to peek at insides (unless external behaviour is ~spam, etc.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would it be correct to say that a 'solved' instance of this problem, could, e.g., host wikilix indefinitely ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai the idea is to resolve the problem not to self-lick the icecone.
shinohai: I would imagine those needing tmsr services could set up own cdn, no?
mircea_popescu: gotta keep it short lest it ends up longer than traditional slas.
mircea_popescu: and no cloudflare. jesus this is growing.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: isp who bans, e.g., purple www backgrounds, child fucking, and winblows-95 because HE WANTS TO -- is quite different animal from one who does exactly same, but because ~imposed~ upstream
trinque: Framedragger: he might want something, and then what? y'all either deal or don't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that may take some building up to.
trinque: the thing where law comes from the sky instead of from men takes time to unwind
Framedragger: true. for some stupid reason i had it in my mind that mircea_popescu would vehemently oppose any such arbitrary restrictions. but this was based on some inane interpretation of some misread trilema text, probably
mircea_popescu: i dun wanna do biz with the child fuckers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it even possible any moar to route packets entirely sans-nato ?
mircea_popescu: besides, you're supposed to maintain relations with multiple dcs anyway.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-10 17:10 mircea_popescu: no, actually, it concerned an isp which, like any other isp, can't afford to actually pay a lawyer to read all the legalse spam being thrown their way. the guilty party here is the state of california, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524561
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565561 << pertinent, imho, old thread ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i have nfi, but i know for a fact there's nothing in tmsr or in nature that says "person must provide impossible object in regular course of business".
davout: i'll ask around if people in my local meatwot have some experience with local DCs, don't think they'd bite
Framedragger: i'm not sure where the 'isp should not care about content' line should be in the context of tmsr.
davout: well, i'm following the conversation
mircea_popescu: so then...
mircea_popescu: other than watching horses spin around on a plate-sized island.
mircea_popescu: davout what are you doing fgor a living these days anyway ?
davout: is your point that some work would indeed be required?
asciilifeform: they have life cycles, 'fresh, unknown, bulletproof', then the sp4mz0rz, virus artists, flock to it, then it 'has problems', dies. then another elsewhere is born.
asciilifeform: the 'whack-a-mole' is a part of live for folx using 'spam hosting'. and i entirely believe that mircea_popescu knows one that has been in uninterrupted business since '07. but how long do you suppose it would live if you linked to it by name here ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, dunno how far i'd trust these.
asciilifeform: decade or so ago i looked into this, and found that their www box lived in.. usa!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/N4KYf << china! as you said. though i have nfi how much of the linked info is true
mircea_popescu: it's just not fucking worth it trying to "t&c" so to speak.
mircea_popescu: oh those. believe me, http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/
trinque: mircea_popescu: suing, guy may have allegedly (blah blah) stolen some things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wasn't it in china ? i thought.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: might be interesting to find out where the (hilarious) northkr www is hosted.
asciilifeform: trinque: there is a fair bit of gradation between 'room 101' and harmless annoyance
mircea_popescu: notion seems to be that human psyche's principal job in average human is protection from change.
trinque: mk, maybe when they bother to go get the "nambla" site
trinque: notion seems to be that somebody's gonna end up in room 101 for hosting tmsr items
asciilifeform at one time scouted far and wide for these, with a budget not far off from mircea_popescu's current
trinque: then one moves, but what's that one? daily stormer or something?
asciilifeform: trinque: nope. plenty of quite genuine 'spam isp'. problem is that they fold !
mircea_popescu: about half of all the ones i personally know (ie, middle class tech kids) ended up there this way.
trinque: "no but those are all honeypots; every single one!!!11!"
mircea_popescu: eh get out. pretty much the only way independent, tech minded kid can feed himself today is to do a good job of running an isp.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's argument is not that mircea_popescu's idea is physically impossible, but that it is absent because it is -- afaik -- heavily -ev. and not because 'world is stupid'. take, say, the moving of cocaine. it involves every bit the same types of risks, but cocaine is readily available worldwide. i suspect : partly because it is a standalone physical object -- unlike net connectivity.
mircea_popescu: prolly cleannest item on a per-size basis known to the tubes.
trinque: point being whatever is being done, the host isn't doing it
mircea_popescu: trinque i seriously wouldn't expect this sort of problem. who the fuck is going to be doing that, i wish to know.
trinque: and there are guaranteed to be petabytes of cp on aws and every other host
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the important point here is that the elimination of attack surfaces is sure to produce vacuum packed spherical chickens. it is a necessary quality of physical existence to have attack surfaces. that's how you get laid, also.
mircea_popescu: can convert large piles of btc into tits if you feel like, what.
Framedragger: btw just to note, (at least initially) large part of bitcoin revenue would have to be converted into fiat because upstream may require fiat. (sure, it'd be nice to just be able to ignore these upstreams.)
mircea_popescu: for years google was fulla "oh, mp IN DANGER OF BEING EXTRADITED!!11". experts in things and matters, quora style.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform come to think of nobody, afaik there exists ONE SINGLE WEBSITE on the whole internet for the whole internet's existence that documents the "hey, check out that time usg got told to go dangle" also.
Framedragger: (this will sound cheesy but i do feel like i'm coming to this with a fiat'ish mind, by which i mean, underestimating the power of the wot. 'you trust this wot person to make good, no fine print, the end.')
mircea_popescu: huge timesavers, though, eliminating all the gunk empire idiots need to interface with each other's idiocy.
Framedragger: i do not mean 'restrictions on content' or any other inane shit. i mean response time and so on.
mircea_popescu: if one needs to read a pile of boilerplate to not be stupid, the pile of boilerplate ain't gonna help anyway.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there is no fucking t&c.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: customer doesn't have a raid == 'well what did they expect' i guess - granted, that actually makes sense. just need to be extra clear in T&Cs...
asciilifeform: (they were mentioned in the l0gz several times)