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mircea_popescu: not "download
the latest cl framework".
that's
the opposite approach/.
mircea_popescu: see, naggum's (correct) advice in
that piece ##crypto barfed at was... MAKE YOUR
TAILORED CL!
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: even
then, yes, explosion of statespace, sure
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no disagreement. i honestly don't know re framework, i do
think
they just abused a
term (which isn't a great signal)
ben_vulpes: gotta back out
the c++11 work, implement a predicate and
test
the shit out of it
mircea_popescu: if your protocol is, for
the sake of
this argument, a state machine with about 150k states, and
then
the "framework" is a further state machine with about a half million or so states, your protocol framework escapes security as a fundamental property of it.
trinque: questions remain on how best
to handle incoming deposits; I hear ben_vulpes might be working on something
to help
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 20:36 mircea_popescu: yeah, how's
the whole dwallet coming along ?
mircea_popescu: abstraction has
this cost,
that if i have
to maintain AB i spend
twice
the
time if i maintained an A and a B.
mircea_popescu: let's revisit
the early cs classes. if you have state machine A, with 4 states, and state machine B, with 5 states,
the composed mechanism AB has... 20 states.
Framedragger: i
thought you were *for* a crypto library where operator would not have
to use (by which i mean abuse, because he will) low level primitives?
mircea_popescu: because nobody actually looked at all
the edge cases, on
the assumption
that
they were only generated
through
the interplay of idle abstraction and will "never be encountered in practice"
mircea_popescu: i'd fucking worry. and i'd have great cause
to worry,
too.
Framedragger: (you can use more general methods which abstract away
the internals)
mircea_popescu: the part
that enables you
to not worry
thus is in your head not in
the openssl.
Framedragger: no, i mean
that you can embed it in your $crapchatapp and not worry about IV reuse
mircea_popescu: you mean
that it runs on linux and consequently you can process its output ?
Framedragger: the fact
that interfaces implement literal crap in
the case of openssl is of course not
the best advertising for a simile...
Framedragger: yesyes, many issues, sure. and in regards
to openssl, you know what i meant,
the interfaces
that
the openssl library exports
to its operators
Framedragger: makes sense
to have core building blocks. i see protocol framework here in
the sense of openssl being a protocol framework
mircea_popescu: and who's going
to cover
the edge case interplay
three feet deep ?
Framedragger: i
think by 'you can create protocol'
they meant a high degree of abstraction kind of protocol. e.g. stateless or stateful
transport security, etc.
mircea_popescu: (at least
that's what i parse
the words
to mean, framework = "standard with a lot of user serviceable knobs")
mircea_popescu: either you have a protocol standard, or else you have more prototyping work
to do.
mircea_popescu: to put it another way : when a fundamental problem is well understood enough
to approach conclusively, and yet
the approach eschews creating a standard in favour of preserving choice,
the signal is
that
the problem was NOT actually understood enough.
Framedragger: ah. well, i
thought it was a set of lower-level crypto interfaces on which you could build higher-level protocols
mircea_popescu: even if we don't consider practical experience (hey, automake
tried
to be a makefile framework yes ?) and only focus on
the
theoretical aspect
Framedragger: oops by 'certainly not' i meant 'certainly pos compared
to alf's
mircea_popescu: does it not seem
to you
that a protocol framework (ie, some sort of method for "creating" or "tailoring" protocols) is broken in
the head ?
Framedragger: i mean, 'compared
to what'. certainly not compared
to asciilifeform's actually-fucking-constant-time crypto architecture
Framedragger: here i have a problem because i don't
think noise is necessarily bad; or
that e.g. signal protocol is necessarily bad (yes names are barf'y)
Framedragger: i
think in
the end
they managed
to address
the fact
that
they should address it
Framedragger actually went on
their channel (whichever it was,
they have like
tox-talk and -dev and just
tox or sth)
to see if any clever people. yes, one iphy (also on ##crypto) understood
that (1) it was an issue and (2)
these other 'core member' fuckwits were destroying any goodwill
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 03:34 mircea_popescu: anyway. anyone seen
that
tox
thing ?
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649251 << as
the case currency stands with regards
to
tox,
the saddest
thing about it is not its pos code, pos design (i
think
there are some attempts
to have a design?), but
that some arguably should-know-better smart people are sinking
time into it
☝︎ trinque: obviously I'll also make special cases for
things like
trb deeds.
trinque: at which point I'd be more
than happy
to serve up whichever bits forever
trinque: I can help ya make it eat more large objects (don't mind
the archivng) but eventually it's going
to need
to either deplete
the deed author's wallet account for $amountOfBitsServed, or something along
those lines
ben_vulpes: it's a real site watching me haul my broken carcass out of
the muscle car
trinque: danielpbarron: anyhow for now I request
that you use deedbot as something
to check against, and not as a CDN/archive.is
mircea_popescu: some people end up with dual char mode because no chinese support in
the default.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 17:50 Framedragger: actually interestingly,
trilema.com also renders verdana here on firefox. but i
think
that ben_vulpes' site somehow managed
to use "verdana italic" as "regular verdana", which looked horribru. but i'm not sure what
that even
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 22:36 danielpbarron: what is
the proper way
to deed such an item? clearsign
the sha512sum ?
danielpbarron: most noobs do
the windows
thing and don't need
the linux drivers
danielpbarron: i wanted
to preserve a copy of it for
the future in case it's no longer available anywhere else
trinque: the pipe on
this box is not unmetered.
trinque: danielpbarron: where is
this going? infinite Eulora kids going
to download it?
jhvh1: asciilifeform:
The operation succeeded.
trinque: poar past
trinque said
to himself "ah
this
thing's for
text, whole download in ram no problem"
trinque: know what? I bet it's just a
timeout happening
trinque: otherwise your feature request is noted and I'll have
to do something about eating bigger files
danielpbarron: i asked if i should do
that and someone specifically
told me
to do it
this way
danielpbarron: unrelatedly,
trinque why can't i deed stuff? i
tried again with a smaller
thing and i got
the same result. bot says "deeds online" much later but my entry isn't on
the website
trinque: I've seen both "I hate
taking baths" and "holy shit
there are zero acceptable men in my wot" variants
mircea_popescu: trinque since we're on it, what do you
take "lesbian" as ?
mats: good if you want
to be roger ver and Bitcoin Mary
trinque: danielpbarron: I always
take "anarchist chick" as "I have daddy problems omg look at me breaking
the rules"
danielpbarron: i have spent considerable
time in person with her in which she is very friendly, and she knows well about
tmsr,
this goes back several years
trinque: man, I was hoping for some kind of spy vs spy situation where danielpbarron
thwarted her honeydicking
Framedragger: meh. if i was
told out of
the blue like
that, i may respond
the same :) (contra is of course "ignorance is not an excuse")
ben_vulpes: self-admitted enemy of
the republic is a new one, gotta citation on hand danielpbarron ?
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of juliatourianski_ from 4
to -4 << Stupid harlot, segwit shill, self-admitted enemy of
the republic
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i
thought about looking up local fairs
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Any
thoughts
towards
the agriCltural Supremacy Challenge
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but
this in re BingoBoingo's 'just don't style' << <pre> isn't style, it's semantic
Framedragger: you can view <pre> as a content/semantic
tag, and 'style' would be 'shit in css'. i mean, if we
truly believed in content/form separation on
the web
Framedragger: thing is, you can monospace with <pre> and let browser decide on monospaced font,
too
BingoBoingo: Seriously,
the correct answer is
to not style web
text.
Framedragger: actually interestingly,
trilema.com also renders verdana here on firefox. but i
think
that ben_vulpes' site somehow managed
to use "verdana italic" as "regular verdana", which looked horribru. but i'm not sure what
that even
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i am looking. what in particular are you objecting
to?