asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel aims to bring lisps to 'most people' ?!
asciilifeform: why would i be concerned with defaults ?
asciilifeform gave a good share of gabriel_laddel's material a fair, imho, reading, and still isn't entirely grasping how the proposed widget wins over classical linux box with sbcl on it
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: does your sbcl userland for linux come with a physical box where i get guarantee that the, e.g., video board, works ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the last time i met folks who 'they'll use what's there', they were running... winxp
asciilifeform: trinque: move your abstraction level down to where the question makes sense
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what system are you on
asciilifeform: trinque: when you plug a lamp into mains socket, does it 'express desire to conduct' ?
asciilifeform: trinque: the whole concept of having von neumann's bottleneck, where you can't do anything at all on the machine without waiting your turn for the little airline latrine of alu, mmu, etc. is asinine
asciilifeform: which is to say, asking for b+1 will almost always be faster than b+100000
asciilifeform: for so long as you have caches, you have locality
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because you ask it for block b and some unknown time later it says 'here is block b'
asciilifeform: trinque: when you plant your arse in your chair, does arse 'request access to the chair' ?)
asciilifeform: in extreme poverty of the 1950s - yes, it makes sense
asciilifeform: this is not the only way to build a computer.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think of it, traditional cpu ~is~ cloaka, where you pgp with the same barrel shifter and adder that you play tetris and read lolcatz with
asciilifeform: these presently exist, you can go to store and buy. called fpga.
asciilifeform: ultimately it is what your schoolteacher called an 'adjacency matrix.'
asciilifeform: how to represent it is up to the operator
asciilifeform: trinque: code on dataflow processor controls switching matrix.
asciilifeform: it is the only sane i/o. what we have now is chicken's cloaka, which pisses, shits, fucks, and lays eggs via same orifice (why not also eat with it?)
asciilifeform: trinque: 'bedrock' for our purposes is that which if it malfunctions you physically throw it out.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel has it. but in that article i was speaking of 'proper computer', not lispm.
asciilifeform: e.g., if a malformed packet appears, or connection breaks at any point in the process, or, or.
asciilifeform: trinque: for this one, symbolics lisp is not a bad example. the key being that ~nothing can happen~ short of the nic catching fire that would land you on any level of abstraction below lisp
