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mircea_popescu: Framedragger i dun right off know i'd have a problem with turkey.
Framedragger: unfortunately northern syria (rojava) uses internet via turkish radio towers (checked / had chat with them once). that'd be an interesting location (kurdish autonomous region; i mean, while it lasts....)
asciilifeform: islands tend to have thin bandwidth
pete_dushenski: just trying to map this out.
mircea_popescu: i'd have bought in mossul had the idiots been a little less inept
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: if the baltics are technically in nato per http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/nato_countries.htm, this leaves approx. russia, china, japan, korea, and... ?
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm in no terrible hurry ; trying to spawn actual alternative first etc.
mircea_popescu: eh, better to overprovision than to underprovision these things. but no, not yet.
mircea_popescu: i'm actually thinking of standing up a similar box for eulora.
Framedragger: pete_dushenski: curious how much they'd quote for 256 GB ECC ram :) (phuctor)
pete_dushenski recalls "no natoreich" thread, lowers head.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski montreal is not part of the world.
pete_dushenski: also, for anyone looking for dc at which to host ssdbox+fuckgoats, you now have an option! http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tHFsH/?raw=true (cad$189=usd$138 currently, dc located in montreal)
mircea_popescu: well, "the made-1k-realpeoplecurrency-bought flat and cheap hooker in socialistan" anecdote has naught to do with "saving"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you happen to recall when we had the thread re 'saving' being a magical-thinking delusion as a concept ?
trinque: BUT THE THIRD SHALL STAND
trinque: I dunno how a kid from .lt thinks whichever govt is everlasting; even the last two cocks that fucked them in the ass withered
mircea_popescu: is the idea that the family line ends with you or what is this anecdote about ?
mircea_popescu: "framedragger's dad hjad the sense to leave shitistan, worked for dollars in 1991, came back with 1k bought flat, spawned kid, who is too dumb to leave shitistan and work for bitcoin, make 1k, perpetuate the cycle"
asciilifeform: Framedragger: moreover, there does not exist such a place as from which they won't steal it. whenever they feel like it.
mircea_popescu: ass-backwards logic you got going there.
Framedragger: but yes, saving over multiple decades, different thing *entirely*, of course of course.
mircea_popescu: that the braindead fiat of the local socialists was going to outlive the at-the-time republic-of-smart-people currency ?
mircea_popescu: and what's that show ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: right, insane inflation. counterpoint "it's all about timing and location" anecdote (purely for entertainment): dad worked in chocolate factory in u.s. back in ~1991, for 2-3mo.; went home with ~ $1k, bought car and flat. ppp!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: also recall the 'tx replacement' thread. classical btc has uncorrectable birth defects.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, usd=eur=rmb=etc.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: theoretically. but tx grow in number, and ssd grows no cheaper.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "different fiats". the chinese made a usd-counerparty-fiat just for the purpose of insulating usg from their economy.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger tell you what, review what your grandparents earned in usd when they were your age, figure out how well they'd live on it today.
asciilifeform: we had thread
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didn't you demonstrate that lookup could be got down to o(1)?
Framedragger: (just to be clear, this is another is/ought, i was doing the "is" (imho) part ^, not "ought", of course)
mircea_popescu: saving in usd, though. for retirement. this gotta take the cake.
ben_vulpes: lol that's a great gif
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: alright, more than that: i place higher odds of usd surviving in 2050 if put against btc surviving in 2050. why: a very primitive "age of existence" heuristic. and, i don't trust EC crypto, like, you know, no-one here does. so not willing to put retirement savings into btc. it adds up, utilities, retirement.
mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/bd01c81c0c708e3e995ab86652ea19d2/tumblr_ofxifw8zgz1vvfoleo1_500.gif to continue the picrelated trend.
mircea_popescu: "count for 100% just as soon as they stop telling themselves the 0% story to get to the slop like the rest of the pigs."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's 'not anything' is true re 'resource-allocatory' moneys
mircea_popescu: consider : even if i somehow decided to sell a girl, there exists no one who can meaningfully pay for her. what "money" ?
mircea_popescu: but hey, you got time.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how you managed to miss the esr poverty discussion and the debian dork murder and the devil's leaves metaphore and everything else.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the point you elide is that all that fiatola "money" is not actually anything.
mircea_popescu: "whisperers" as alf calls them.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: there is that. point is, world is ~sheep (when approximated/rounded), they have fiatbux/lifedebtbux, they don't care about these things, intel's profits come at scale, hence investing into "decent tech" is not business-viable. is all i'm sayin'.
mircea_popescu: the prototype of the former being of course naggum, who would have some rather pointed questions to answer hadn't he taken the easy way out. most of the rest aren't quite that hard stuff, live a life of living death instead, cowering in their basement from tmsr emails etc.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: whatever things the folx who happily swallow intel cock might do -- 'thinking' is not a legitimate description of any of it
mircea_popescu: either "momentary lapse into lucidity" by dubious author with VERY clenched teeth, usually decade+ old ; or else cat-v/##crypto/tardstalk/reddit/tedx/etcetera.
mircea_popescu: somehow the examination comes out the same fucking way all the time.
mircea_popescu: hey, i actually tend to take time out of my day and examine candidates.
Framedragger: yes but this is a bit circular, one of those "prove P: if tmsr, then P; ergo, P"
mircea_popescu: i don't see much thinking outside of tmsr et all.
Framedragger: anyway, i don't see much outrage in regards to intel ME outside of tmsr et al.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger and why are they capable of hiring anything but sheilas ?
asciilifeform: well for one thing, ~nobody runs linux, they run rathead, africa, other 'i can't believe it's not's
mircea_popescu: Framedragger and why don't they.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: that's the more dramatic take on it; the other one is "most of linux powerusers are dirt poor, and there aren't many of them [and the companies which *run* on linux do not count as part of the former group.]"
Framedragger: amd dropped coreboot support in (iirc) 2013 *because* it deemed it not profitable. impact to business probably ~0.
mircea_popescu: count for 100% just as soon as they stop telling themselves the 0% story to get to the slop like the rest of the pigs. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: entirely not true.
Framedragger: and yet and yet, all them new xeons....
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do smart people stand up agaionst the empire of stupid ? BY NOT BEING PART OF IT. hurr.
mircea_popescu: this company will not buy anything with that crap. nor can it -- if it tried everyone'd just leave anyway.
mircea_popescu: then they wanna go around pretending like fucking goats is somehow obscene. had they fucked goats instead they'd be quite a lot more respectable.
mircea_popescu: and all this happened because well, the dorks that were supposed to stand up against it were jwzing.
Framedragger: (at least in intel ME, from slides i infer that if it doesn't detect the "ME firmware part in BIOS flash", it doesn't even turn on?)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: no, but the src of the separate kernel at the very least. "gotta start somewhere", again. but yeah i know, sisyphus much
asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you think they'll release the privkey, i got a bridge to sellya
Framedragger: access to main memory, access to *network* (complete bypass of cpu), yeahyeah... amazing
asciilifeform: signed blobware runs on own, separate core with access to everything (plus own sram)
Framedragger: amd "kinda said" they may release full src for coreboot et al., but obvs no dice yet
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah apparently. but gotta start somewhere. and yeh i understand that shit's different *again* since then
Framedragger: https://recon.cx/2014/slides/Recon%202014%20Skochinsky.pdf << nothing new, but sat down to read some slides about teh backdoor in question, more technical details, decent overview imho. "slides" because info needs to be patched up from proprietary intel SDKs etc etc
mircea_popescu: shinohai so basically this is the monero unraveling / going away party or what.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/largo-al-factotum-della-citta-della-citta-della/ << Trilema - Largo al factotum della citta, della citta, della...
Framedragger: summary of short chat with cherryservers (hey can't hurt): they used to offer colo but do no more (hmh); they "may" consider attaching "arduino-sized" (my description) hardware device, will report back tomorrow after consulting with technicians when they are in.
shinohai: Heh `anonymint` reborn locked that other thread, is evidently working on some new vaporware: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18597183#msg18597183
mircea_popescu: the exact machine is in the reports when i got it.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger or they have a 3 ring binder, or whatever the fuck. why should i debug their process when instead i could debug yours.
mircea_popescu: which, to resolve ~that~ problem, alone eats plenty of yearly thousands of dollars. it alone, the loss leader of one of the projects etc.
Framedragger: could it be legitimate concern of space in their cramped cages that they are worrying about? (i know, naive interpretation)
asciilifeform: could be the case that dulap is 'grandfathered' physical box, but new ones are vm.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they';re the people hosting phuctor.
asciilifeform: or whatever unmanned thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it could even be the case that the 'no, we won't plug your box in' are not in fact selling physical boxes. but instead are fraudulently peddling vmtron
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i want to deal with them anyway.
mircea_popescu: it was an isp. one that on the price front is pretty cool but on the service front sucks.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu earlier asked some dc for 'i'll lease your box but plug in this 1 thing'
mircea_popescu: i mean of course you'll colocate boxes, this is what you do. isp places his boxes in a datacenter, it's the job description.
mircea_popescu: "oh but they moo" "so what the fuck if they do." "it's scary!" "dude..."
mircea_popescu: this is like a discussion of dairy attempting to avoid cows.
mircea_popescu: i don't get what the problem with colocating boxes is supposed to be. pro tip : every box in every rack in every datacenter on planet earth WAS COLOCATED THERE.
Framedragger: cherryservers do seem nice but their nato affiliation is over 9000 hah
asciilifeform: Framedragger: my (possibly naive) picture is that it does very little good to put a FG ~outside~ of box, where any idiot could unplug or substitute it; it only begins to make sense inside a welded colo box
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i said cherryservers (ex balticservers) didn't want to.
Framedragger: some providers may agree to attach usb devices. iirc (possibly) leaseweb. (based in .nl, i know, but they also fought some 'give us yer customers' cases iirc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wonder how the ssl idiots handle this ( they have, or at least at one time had, hardware accelerators for their nonsense . did they also have to pay for entire machine colo, to plug in the 1 board ?? )
Framedragger: (iirc pinspb hosts, or is related to 2x4 dns boxes. would need to dig up)
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu recently discovered that you gotta buy a colo if you want to emplace something as small as even a FUCKGOATS
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah, but they don't offer colo, at least upon initial glance. can send query, of course. but may as well deal with their upstream DCs