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hanbot: they come with
a sanity tax tho', box waxes on unpoetic about how you the buyer are
a unique woman whose dreams become reality etc.
hanbot: davout lol, i don't know what the hubub's about. they're like two bux
a box'
a 16.
decimation: at any rate, this is
a problem for actual miners to solve in the future, and they will likely despise any actions taken today on their behalf
☟︎ davout: my favourite pilot joke: "see this baby? that's
a C-130. I fly
a C-150"
mircea_popescu: there's
a system where you only fly if they have empty seats, costs bupkiss
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this is
a point. all the people derping about "economy" fail to have read that old mpoe-pr article about buffett and textile industry on the forum.
decimation: kakobrekla: by that logic, airlines would fly
a bum for five bux if there were an empty seat
kakobrekla: decimation from miners perspective they would include everything and their mother if she has half
a dime.
mircea_popescu: have trouble understanding your proposal - ordinary users will be easily bamboozled by
a government sponsored security update. Further, when the crisis hits, to disagree with the line, to doubt that the regulators are right, and the problem is the evil speculators, becomes political suicide, as it did in America in 2007, sometimes physical suicide, as in Weimar Germany."
mircea_popescu: "The big and easy government attacks on money target
a single central money issuer, as with the first of the modern political attacks, the French Assignat of 1792, but in the late nineteenth century political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into
a single too big to fail entity, and they have been getting progressively bigg
mircea_popescu: <davout> would transactions still propagated accross fork branches in the event of
a hard fork scenario? <>< hard to tell, but mostly yes.
kakobrekla: no, but you cant secure
a network on 0.05 if its not half
a planet each.
decimation: well, if the network is dead, no one cares. If bitcoin can be traded for half
a planet, the implication is that mining is costly
adlai: double spends are easy today, they'll be far easier in such
a situation
danielpbarron: "confirming blocks for just the transaction fee is
a losing venture, but we intend to make up for it in volume"
benjamindees: Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain
a new territory of freedom for several years," he had
a reason. Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems. Mining may not be
a long-term solution. But inflation is non-negotiable, regardless.
davout: adlai: yeah, but danielpbarron has
a point, there only needs to be one node bridging transactions for
a double-spend to be harder to pull off, obviously not impossible, but it would be harder than trivial
kakobrekla: how do other envision the future when reward goes towards 0. either
a btc is worth half
a planet or the fees amount per block go up
a few orders of magnitude or network is dead
☟︎ adlai: i'm not certain if they'd get disconnected right away, but
a node sending invalid-to-you blocks won't last long in your node's connection list
davout: danielpbarron: yeah, that's
a good point
davout: would transactions still propagated accross fork branches in the event of
a hard fork scenario?
adlai: "systems" may be an exaggeration,
a better word: "proposals"
adlai: if you think mining is primarily
a means of distribution, you should consider studying the problems with systems that preceeded bitcoin
benjamindees: davout, well, the thing is, by the time it even matters, mining may be irrelevant anyways. I wouldn't bank on having
a mining oligopoly twenty years from now. Mining is mostly
a means of distribution.
davout: benjamindees: i may be thick here, but i fail to see how this relates, as
a miner i might not one someone forcing
a scarce resource that i sell, such as space in
a block, to be inflated away
adlai: if we look at the blocksize limit as
a parameter of the tax system, this isn't inflation, it's
a tax cut - which we may wish to reverse in the future
davout: adlai: what BigBitz was saying is that an optic fiber isn't
a proper airgap, which i concurred with saying that the idea of the airgap is definitely not to have some sort of permanent connection like ethernet over optical fiber should such
a thing exist
adlai: with the economic issues that arise from optimizing
a tax system
adlai: somewhere... there was
a comparison of this to the laffer curve
decimation: adlai: my point being that one can physically disconnect
a link end, if one wishes to prevent two-way transfer
mircea_popescu: davout it's
a very hard problem this, spying on light.
davout: mircea_popescu: i agree, it's
a difference in degree not in kind though
benjamindees: mircea_popescu, lol, okay, listen I think you're over-reacting
a bit. It'll work out.
decimation: adlai: generally 1000Base-LX or similar have
a physical laser for transmitting and some kind of photodetector for receive
mircea_popescu: adlai that bet doesn't measure "successful" was discussed before, and i said "well, yeah, but it's better to err this way, give the bet
a chance"
adlai: the point, if i follow correctly, is to establish
a channel for conveying specific data across the airgap, as opposed to ethernet-over-fiber, which would defeat the purpose of the airgap
mircea_popescu: where originally the occasional noob might be something people want to help, if there's
a lot of them that well will be run dry. which is what happened in 1993.
kakobrekla: "is
a hardfork successful" < since this is bb, hf successful only if mp submits.
mircea_popescu: if suddenly there's
a lot of noobs here, there'll be an inflaiton of noobs.
adlai is just pointing out possible corner cases in the wording, and that it's not measuring exactly "is
a hardfork successful"
davout: i don't think sound is inherently flawed, as long as you are in
a controlled environment
benjamindees: well, I was under the impression it was quite
a bit, but I may have missed some things
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 17:20:51; *: kakobrekla has
a serial cable with
a buffer with visual confirmation of the data and it does not need to be plugged to both computers at same time
mircea_popescu: bejesus reddit is practically full of fake accounts with
a party line.
mircea_popescu:
a hard fork that's not been ok'd by the bitcoin foundation (the real one, not vessenes' scam) is automatically an issue fort the obvious reason :
mircea_popescu: gavin does NOT have the authority to create
a hard fork.
mircea_popescu: "I agree
a big discussion is necessary before changes are made, but we shouldn't act like
a hard fork is somehow inherently an issue."
mircea_popescu: i was thinking more along the lines of
a publicly accessible splitter service
jurov: would be quite
a perk for mpex users... "liquidate" positions according to last month report and allow to withdraw all the gigacoin
mircea_popescu: there never was
a hard fork before. the march event was an observed fork which was resolved by abandoning the new chain.
adlai:
a better phrasing might talk about the block size of the highest difficulty chain at the resolution date
cazalla: just approved
a couple of comments on your article as well
cazalla: thestringpuller, sure, just need to get
a few cuppas into me, look at all this drama i've woken up to because of you!
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 00:31:00; asciilifeform: 2 yrs. ago i figured out how to flex
a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically.
assbot: Btw, we are actually working on
a charger that automatically moves out from the wall & connects like
a solid metal snake. For realz.
mircea_popescu: maybe because
a pimp's essentially an actor playing the cuckold role, i dunno.
mircea_popescu: that should tomorrow tide agree to rebrand its detergent as "bitcoin", then it will be okay if there's n omore bitcoin. because bitcoin has no identity but is merely
a name, and since the empty name is "more widely used" the project is nominally "more successful"
thestringpuller: people are like "Yo he broke the rules but didn't know. Don't punish him too hard, just give him
a warning."
thestringpuller: it's like
a secretary telling me I need
a heart transplant because he saw it on TV
thestringpuller: i read
a story somewhere that there is
a whole slew of entrepreneurs in SF that are homeless
thestringpuller: maybe it's how hanbot put it, its "Due to
a horrible accident involving, perhaps, various radioactive equipment including
a twinkie"
mircea_popescu:
a good idea that makes no money is
a bit like
a norwegian blue that's pining for the fjords. beautiful plumage...
thestringpuller: it gets this young people thinking "Yo, if I have
a good idea people will pay for me to live, even if it makes no money"
thestringpuller: this is why I think the ycombinator "seed funding" thing is
a bit non-sensical.
thestringpuller: perhaps. reddit does have
a ridiculously hard time paying the bills with their own money.
mircea_popescu: (accurately, of course, means nothing objective. accurately in this context strictly means "so nobody gets
a full
A half the time". because you're looking for flaws, not to prop self esteem.)
mircea_popescu: "Some people have to have
a world of evidence before they can come anywhere in the neighborhood of believing anything; but for me, when
a man tells me that he has "seen the engravings which are upon the plates," and not only that, but an angel was there at the time, and saw him see them, and probably took his receipt for it, I am very far on the road to conviction, no matter whether I ever heard of that man before or n
thestringpuller: ;;later tell hanbot how did you not have
a stroke while in the trenches of super retardism?
mircea_popescu: "but people have
a voice". orly ? turns out people don't want
a voice, especially not in
a fucking void. they really want signal and feedback more than they want voice.
mircea_popescu: it's by and large easier to not give
a shit. that's why all divorces succeed, and all independence movements succeed, and why imperialism and colonialism and so on are all doomed.
decimation: indeed. it's
a retarded version of classical slavery really
mircea_popescu: not the best ? perhaps. but
a nude statement of unbestness is as useful as an aeroplane made out of air.
mircea_popescu: it exists naturally, because it provides for
a need, and it is an actual social solution to
a social problem.
decimation: "So that’s my working hypothesis: it’s not merely that politics is an epiphenomenon and that deeper personal qualities account for what we call political polarization, but that one specific dimension—our respective attitudes toward personal responsibility—accounts for
a huge proportion of the polarization all by itself."
mircea_popescu: people of course like to pretend mysapce is
a circumstance rather than
a fundamental.
mircea_popescu: having someone to say "hey, this is great" "omfg that's fucking stupid" is the very essence of economy. you can disagree with them, or pick
a different one, or create special methods for their working or measuring or announcing or whatever, it's endless. but if you remove it altogether, creating essentially
a flat surface instead of
a 3d shape, you WILL be poorer.
mircea_popescu: "well if you all made the same decision you'll be poor too and there wouldn't be
a difference to make us sad"
mircea_popescu: no. it's the result of
a bunch of stupid people without any sort of feedback or signal.
decimation: so in summary, wikipedia is the result of
a bunch of smart people without direction?
mircea_popescu: it's because the smart people that should be scoring them left their spots in the local hierarchy, because "better things to do" and now
a retard like altman is left herding them around, as best he can.
mircea_popescu: payment and generally managing capital flux is first and foremost
a matter of direction.
decimation: by they way there's
a typo in your RMS article: there is an "RSM"
mircea_popescu: it's not necessarily or striclty
a matter of "pay" as in, the obvious direct "gimme 20 bux i need for mcdonalds".
mircea_popescu: decimation ok this discussion is too retarded to read, i threw up
a bunch of warnings but
a critical error at "So in terms of networks, what happens is, if you have people all competing for their place to be sorted by
a single central hub, then you get
a power law."
mircea_popescu: "Jaron Lanier is one of the world’s great polymaths. He’s
a computer scientist, composer, visual artist, and the author of
a new book, Who Owns the Future?, published last month "
☟︎ decimation: yeah I think it was from
a podcast. let me dig