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asciilifeform: hanbot: i suspect that it isn't leaving with suitcase that bothers people, but for the most part a rational calculation of whether leaving would in fact give them increased freedom - or not - to do the kind of things they actually want to do.
hanbot: eh, it's hard for people not to take it personally. i won't eat their sammiches, ergo i despise them!
hanbot: in terms of physical stuff i left the us with a suitcase. more important imo was actually letting go of the place itself and one's place within it --possibly never to be reunited.
asciilifeform: hanbot: dare i ask, what did you personally let go of.
asciilifeform: punkman: i personally don't know anyone in love with the geography. but people do get attached to food, shelter.
hanbot: never been stuck in a gravity well, but i find escape from most anything hinges on ability to recognize and part with things that aren't needed. escape based on what one'd rather keep/is fond of mostly consists of waiting afaik.
asciilifeform: basic mechanics of escape from a gravity well - and of escape from a country - are very similar, i dare say. you need sufficient energy (usually in the form of hard currency, but can be some unusual substitute like familial, mob, or military 'in
asciilifeform: (if i had answer, i'd be posting 'best of buenos aires restaurants' photos along with mircea_popescu)
bounce: so, where do I pull me some new non-tainted passports out of the passport dispenser?
asciilifeform: there's an interesting set of legal precedents in usa, invalidating any and all concept of sex contract (consent can be withdrawn, e.g., five minutes... 'in' - and thereby, retroactively, if you like, because 'i cancelled five minutes in, in my head, after that it was a rape') etc.
punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt
assbot: Can Someone Just Invent an 'I Consent to Sex' iPhone App Already? - Hit & Run : Reason.com
punkman: http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/18/can-someone-just-invent-an-i-consent-to
punkman: "nine technical leaders wrote a report, entitled IEEE CS 2022, surveying 23 innovative technologies that could change the industry by the year 2022" < didn't mention bitcoin, because what is a computer and how do I even use it
mats_cd03: i have met people with all of those surnames
mats_cd03: i could not ascertain whether 'ashley huff' is a common name for whites or blacks through research
mircea_popescu: or if you want i has larger amounts of numbers too.
bounce: well, if you go there I say "uncertainty principle" and energy and matter go out the window too
mircea_popescu: for instance, hand't i been a gangster when i was in my teens, i could have gone to school, where i'd have learned many valuable skills and in time maybe even ended up a major revolutionary entrepreneur.
chetty: (we leave out the month she probably ought to get for eating that crud, but I digress)
thickasthieves: now i cant feel safe with utensils in car
mircea_popescu: i'm with him. telling an asshole to go fuck himself is hands down the hardest thing for people.
mircea_popescu: uhm. enough to pay girlies to show their tits ? i dunno.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wow i had no idea.
bounce: though I'll grant that mobsters risk stomach ulcers more than most other people
gribble: klye was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <KLYE> Alright. I am off for a bit. Thanks for the invite to talk MP. I will be in touch. I'll also see if I can get you some "I love PM" pics for your collection
bounce: there'll be yokels and fat farmers just like there'll be city bums and rich city folk. though I suppose the city folk might be more likely to have opportunity to amass riches.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes, because i can dig hole within hole.
mircea_popescu: if i show you two people that's all you know about em.
bounce: well, I'd imagine that food surplusses are more likely in rural settings, and surplusses of "unwanted things" would be more likely in urban areas
mircea_popescu: bounce i don't follow the logic there.
thestringpuller: i.e. corporate espionage, professional art thief?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i mean psychologically expensive.
mircea_popescu: first explanation i ever heard that fits the observable data and doesn't require active malice.
thestringpuller: you are the 2nd nicest person i've met on the interwebs
MolokoDesk: I suspect they're trying to apply a watershed management model to the atmosphere.
mircea_popescu: i miss the old days when us people were still living in africa where they belong and they fought "climate change" by digging holes in their labia.
mircea_popescu: i mean sulfide whatever.
chetty: <dub> one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur// I think Iceland is taking care of that
mircea_popescu: i'd rather discuss actually self-aware religions than bizarre cults that claim they're not.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk only thing i can agree about re keynesianism is that it's retarded
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2014 18:18:59; mircea_popescu: today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash"
mircea_popescu: anyway, this philosophical arcana aside, i can see that people got bills to pay and so on, so. no argument from me.,
MolokoDesk: ok. I'm pretty much out then I think.
MolokoDesk: can I make the btc equivalent purchasing power of USD $1200 per month doing this?
dub: mircea_popescu: I thought they were teh same person
MolokoDesk: you'll get this regardless. I'm just saying this isn't what I had in mind.
MolokoDesk: I'd usually bill low 4 figures for something like this USD.
MolokoDesk: However, I'm aware we never discussed final comp. so.
mircea_popescu: i dun follow.
MolokoDesk: ok. I'm not sure the entire content of my conversations during 'recruiting' were relayed. I usually take and advance or progress payment on staring a project, and the rest of the comp on delivery to satisfaction of the person who wanted the work. There's no way I could have done this for the initial payment.
mircea_popescu: bounce still there, but i don't think many popl call.
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm just addressing punkman's issue regarding coins spent to random addresses
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol what's that to do tho ? i mean, this is merely how to index things on the site.
mircea_popescu: dub don't forget all the trolls i pay to bother random anons that forgot to take their pills on random forums nobody reads.
RagnarDanneskjol: one part of the conversation on how deed coins are to be spent/lost: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#815529 ..there was some more specific discussion i cannot locate ☝︎
dub: i was thinking mpif ops, but yeah, sticking shit up your ass is another earner
dub: aside from possibly a handfull paid to run mp's questionable meta-investment-vehicles I think -assets labour is expected to be free (as in beer)
MolokoDesk: (oops. missed mp, who is the person I should talk with this about)
MolokoDesk: (we've never really discussed the intent of compensation for work here. It matters to me because I have to make a living, so I have to be able to bill at US-livable rates. I'm not sure how people work in #bitcoin-assets... it may be that everyone is developing "for free" because they are stakeholders in keeping the exchange going so they can use it, or the utility value of contributiing is worth it, or they're used to doing
mircea_popescu: aaand i'll bbl.
punkman: (by random I mean based on the bundle hash)
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk: I should block that. << i wouldn't worry about vandals at the application level. if they do it they may get devoiced which is enough deterrent.
mats_cd03: well... if you're in assbot's L2 i guess i could do that.
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - I seriously doubt he'll see that. will send him an email
mircea_popescu: teward i was thinking of making a group reg.
mircea_popescu: i suppose we should get a b-a cloak huh ?
RagnarDanneskjol: uhh, thought some person needs to secure keypair for anygiven bot - like I assume kako has assbot's
bounce: now I wonder, if you provide an oracle that combines a programmatically generated key from (secret) seed and (public) user number, would that be enough to recover the secret?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, coupla btc ?
MolokoDesk: I haven't slept recently if I'm seeming dense.
MolokoDesk: I was still back on 'depositer declares digits' not "bot declares digits"
MolokoDesk: "oh gosh, that guy revealed the check digits of his paymet.. I'm going to make a payment to the same person for no reason with THE SAME LAST DIGITS!" = not likely to be motivated by anything.
MolokoDesk: I guess one presumes nobody wants to give people money at random.
MolokoDesk: I can figure that out.
MolokoDesk: ok, for the payment system, it would create accounts based on wallet of origin of incoming payments. those would be the same wallets registered in web of trust/gribble, I presume.
bounce: well, how can it be if I get called to explain the joke?
MolokoDesk: well, I can write the payments extension but deciding where to run it may be a different issue.
MolokoDesk: for example I deleted wordpress from this VM. I don't use it and didn't even want it there.
MolokoDesk: I'm thinking more of operating system updates, security patches, surveillance.
MolokoDesk: yeah, I think that was a symptom of long-term interests in other things.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk if you're wondering, the entire line was prompted by <MolokoDesk> ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly
MolokoDesk: I can find out what I need to know.
MolokoDesk: or are you asking whether I grasp the troll aesthetic?
mircea_popescu: because i am trying to determine whether telling you to stfu and learn some unix admining is a good policy or not
MolokoDesk: anyway, I know how startups are. they do anything to make their "forward-looking statements" remain plausible for as long as possible.
MolokoDesk: anyway, I dunno. It's just news feed.
MolokoDesk: yeah, he's kind of verbal intervention and keynote speaker. Not sure what his early role in bitcoin is. I think he may have been in the first round bitcoin foundation group.
MolokoDesk: and I think he has a stronger background in security than I do.
mircea_popescu: actually i haven't.
MolokoDesk: I know you've noticed the criticism A.Andropoulos has been getting.
MolokoDesk: ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly, just as needed for my own projects.
MolokoDesk: authing people to make payment on the cred of their freenode nick, I guess that works if you trust gribble's data.
MolokoDesk: yeah, I can do that. it's not clear how i'd store the accounts yet. Probably an SQL database, but if it's storing pooled funds in a single wallet that's kind of an unsound practice.
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah srsly i was all wut'd
MolokoDesk: did I miss the spec?
RagnarDanneskjol: i dont think he follows
MolokoDesk: we're still trying to break deedBot, but I think it passes.
RagnarDanneskjol: i kno, just sayin
mircea_popescu: i am the avatar of splitting.