asciilifeform: it's roughly a hundy, iirc

asciilifeform: ah

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: statice may or may not make sense without access to the live animal

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1207034 << ben_vulpes is a recent convert to 'costco' ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: and folks come to think that it excuses them from knowing jack shit about data structures and choosing right one for a job

asciilifeform: it is a malignancy - in every way, from forcing me to touch and think about turdlangs, to being chock-full of opaque mechanisms and slow as fuck at its fastest

asciilifeform: not only

asciilifeform fucking loathes db and everything connected with the notion

asciilifeform: author was trying to keep dbisms to a minimum.

asciilifeform: that is, an attempt to simulate 'proper computer' in this specific way.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: background for thread: 'elephant' is this thing that tries to magick away the fact that db exists, by allowing you to mark an arbitrary lisp data structure as 'persistent' and churning it to db behind the scenes

asciilifeform: trinque: so long as you were not expecting to transplant patterns of lisp to db use - you will be reasonably happy with 'elephant'

asciilifeform: but otherwise the thing worx.

asciilifeform: you may get more of 'this' than you expected.

asciilifeform: that is, updates - dog-slow, for example

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: must warn that abstractions don't actually work. that is, the underlying limitations of your db will 'leak out'.

asciilifeform: !b 17 ✂︎

asciilifeform: (what i meant earlier was that tx only needs to get to the destination - miner. if it cannot get there cheaply and easily, it will get there expensively and painfully. but it will get there.)

asciilifeform: hm ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it. sorta like i asked my father, as a small boy, if furniture could speak. answer 'yes, in principle'

asciilifeform: mempool is by far the weakest link in the chain we have today

asciilifeform: PeterL: can be carried - directly. via pigeon. sailboat.

asciilifeform: PeterL: more than one way to get tx from originator to miner

asciilifeform: it is more or less the obvious solution to 'how to keep a public tx pool'

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: PeterL: mircea_popescu had a scheme quite like the one you described

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oh ha, we call that dish икра (as in 'caviar', yes, same word)

asciilifeform: and in ro, i presume, means something other ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: original ru is, roughly, 'snack you eat when boozing it up'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: закуска ?

asciilifeform: at some point it will be possible to tell - with a geiger.

asciilifeform: sprattus is one.

asciilifeform: are sold as 'sardine'

asciilifeform: a dozen species

asciilifeform: can be made from more than one animal

asciilifeform: 'sardine' is a dish

asciilifeform: apparently not quite

asciilifeform: was out, swimming

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm still snarfing up the log

asciilifeform: without being even slightly aware of what it was for

asciilifeform: to the point where ru immigrants sometimes are found to have lived on 'cat feed' for months

asciilifeform: (if that)

asciilifeform: decimation: in usa, 'fish in tin' typically means cheap tuna, and one notch above what is fed to cat

asciilifeform: decimation: i've yet to locate a supplier for unsmoked

asciilifeform checks larder, notices a full clip of sprats. pet must have bought a bunch

asciilifeform: decimation reminds me, i gotta resprat

asciilifeform: l0lz

asciilifeform: hey i started before you folks got hot & bothered

asciilifeform: this is probably where i confess that ~my~ gossipd is nearly done...

asciilifeform: uncle al's orbit-sweeper shotgun is only a matter of time.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206988 << go, pull ☝︎

asciilifeform: hire - the brahmins

asciilifeform: they chase everyone with a pulse

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206950 << you clearly did not actually go to the arse chaser and ask for a job ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206934 << one of those things that cannot continue. useful orbits are already very crowded (mainly with garbage.) ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206831 << mno. that's 'dotcom boom' sop. today - no one without 'straight a' marks is considered, etc. ☝︎

asciilifeform: collapse bandages.

asciilifeform: (the latter are, possibly, no longer there, since the flood)

asciilifeform: not to mention that dry air machine is a large, central thing, and needs intact ducts

asciilifeform: decimation: cheap, in the short term

asciilifeform: http://gothamist.com/2008/01/31/nitrogen_tanks.php ☟︎

asciilifeform: decimation: nah. these were telco holes

asciilifeform: (something notably absent atm)

asciilifeform: and a peer discrimination mechanism.

asciilifeform: we will need more, more of these.

asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 64 connections on s.nsa node - a new record

asciilifeform: optically-pumped repeaters are sop for... last decade ?

asciilifeform: for what ?

asciilifeform: (for fiber, all of this is entirely unnecessary)

asciilifeform: they blow straight into cable ducts

asciilifeform: normally, there are dry air machines at the exchange

asciilifeform: punkman: bottled dry gas is not a standard feature of copper phone grid!

asciilifeform: i do not know how long they have been there, but would dare to guess that it is since the flood a few yrs ago

asciilifeform: the ones in nyc were fresh, covered in frost

asciilifeform: quite empty

asciilifeform: if not longer

asciilifeform: the one i spoke of in the linked thread hasn't been changed in... 2yrs

asciilifeform: punkman: here in dc region they use tanks of compressed co2

asciilifeform: (since you can't stop other folks from sending you bastard garbage)

asciilifeform: punkman: i have yet to conceive of any wedge or other undesirable effect from it, other than a bit of wasted bandwidth

asciilifeform: (an old university delicacy.)

asciilifeform: when i saw them, i started following the hose, in hopes of finding an ln2 icecream monger !

asciilifeform: ^ apparently other folks noticed

asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juZqGU9iuq0

asciilifeform: long ago, i used to work with dewars quite like these. and never expected to find them on city streets

asciilifeform: (why? almost certainly for the same reason as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656219 where i live) ☝︎

asciilifeform: the hose disappears into a telco pit

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ln2.jpg << liquid n2 on the steets of manhattan. every coupla blocks

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/gentoo2.jpg << moar gentoo!

asciilifeform: whole thing

asciilifeform: why ever

asciilifeform: please do try again

asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: it is mighty busy

asciilifeform: height!

asciilifeform: then same situation as now

asciilifeform: i see nothing wrong with a 'get block N' command.

asciilifeform: decimation: aha, where else. central park.

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/gentoo.jpg << for serious gentoo aficionados only !

asciilifeform: ^^^