asciilifeform: and so is every oceanic fiber.

asciilifeform: alcatel is usg to me

asciilifeform: this is different from 'i recommend that mircea_popescu filter all unsigned udp at his door'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the link concerned ~infrastructure~. usg is trying so that when i get my signed udp, and try to send it to mircea_popescu, it won't leave my street even.

asciilifeform: (presently all of it)

asciilifeform: note that i'm all for rejecting unsigned udp

asciilifeform: routing tcp no-questions-asked while filtering packets that could be signature-authed without storing state is braindamaged.

asciilifeform: and i suppose i will write letters to mircea_popescu and spirit them out in the rectums of pig carcasses loaded onto the great sailing ships ?

asciilifeform: because: no state.

asciilifeform: it is physically impossible to get any easier to filter than udp-with-signature

asciilifeform: i will say it again, the push against udp is usg disinfo. and everyone who buys into it should retreat to the library with a copy of richard stevens and think very carefully.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu prefers to be ddosed with tcp ?

asciilifeform: (it is much easier to filter, and will be filtered by usg infrastructure.)

asciilifeform: and, more direly, well-behaved routing

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the thing about raw ip is that it typically requires os support

asciilifeform: irresponsible users are to be unplugged.

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: the infrastructure can't support ~anything~ in its current configuration.

asciilifeform: whether it is done with udp as such or raw ip (i.e. udp with protocol field set to 666) is immaterial

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: single-packet auth is the only gossipd worth using.

asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes it is probably best to unplug that thing until you fix it

asciilifeform: ;;later tell trinque please consider submitting patch to the ml !

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217706 << how's that ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: this is just precious.

asciilifeform: 'In the case of WebRTC [I-D.draft-ietf-rtcweb-transports], TURN [RFC5766] should be used to concentrate and manage a known-good UDP flows.' <<< ahahaha, 'pleeez herd all yer packetz through usg middleman box'

asciilifeform: shinohai: but you don't really need the manual unless you are doing something more clever than anything i've done so far

asciilifeform: shinohai: only the official manual

asciilifeform: the buggers ~really~ do not like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-01-2015#996554 ☝︎

asciilifeform: obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 << where we are headed. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu check it out, usg read the gossipd logs, and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217682 ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217687 << ahahahahaha pleeeez use nsasec ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217682 << in the land of the demented clowns, it is ~always~ april the first. except, the chainsaw is real, and blade is sharp, and the pretty gurl really ~does~ get cut in half !! ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217651 << congrats trinque ! another winner. ☝︎

asciilifeform wiped out, off to bed

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu didja ever get your magic bitcoind synced again /

asciilifeform: thoroughly, stultifyingly unsurprising

asciilifeform: in 2000 years.

asciilifeform: let the archaeologists concern themselves with them

asciilifeform: why would i give half a fuck about usg ceremonies

asciilifeform: i can't bring myself to even try to read this.

asciilifeform: documenting ~parliamentary procedure~ of its making

asciilifeform: where there was a massive pile of usg paperwork, killing - literally - a forest

asciilifeform: but rather something more like 'iso cert'

asciilifeform: decimation: it isn't an ada or otherwise proofy system

asciilifeform: small and vaguely unixlike animal

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is rather more like 'qnx' or 'vxworks'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mno

asciilifeform: of several common bus variants

asciilifeform: also needs support for large (modern) block devices

asciilifeform: decimation: the classical bitcoind, unfortunately, ~does~ require threading - and thus, a slice scheduler

asciilifeform: decimation: as i said, not so much hardware to support

asciilifeform: because it is a commercial platinum toilet

asciilifeform: but i will never know

asciilifeform: decimation: probably something like qnx

asciilifeform: shortest kernel that bitcoin could sit down on is probably some variant of minix

asciilifeform: i have considered, for instance, a move to 'minix'

asciilifeform: there are not so many cpu, nic, or block devices in circulation today.

asciilifeform: so long as we have a cpu, a nic, and a block device, we're golden on the given set

asciilifeform: (the hardware)

asciilifeform: we don't need most of it

asciilifeform: and a gcc fork.

asciilifeform: yes, even if this means we end up maintaining a kernel.

asciilifeform: must have a guaranteed, canonical build

asciilifeform: this thing will go nowhere if we declare the gnarliest problem (build) a non-problem

asciilifeform: so, at the risk of repeating myself, i gotta agree with mircea_popescu here and respectfully disagree with mod6

asciilifeform: and, perhaps, other things

asciilifeform: which can build kernel at boot time (!)

asciilifeform: i am also considering bellard's 'tcc' ( http://bellard.org/tcc )

asciilifeform: period.

asciilifeform: there ARE NOT 9 GB of useful src ☟︎

asciilifeform: everything in one iso.

asciilifeform: fuck that

asciilifeform: without downloading anything

asciilifeform: with being able to rebuild 100% of self, from included src

asciilifeform: , at minimum,

asciilifeform: (decent starts

asciilifeform: decimation: not decent at all. but ~works~ for this example

asciilifeform: it doesn't even deserve a name

asciilifeform: draft name

asciilifeform: but not derived

asciilifeform: genealogically common ancestor, iirc.

asciilifeform: sun never, afaik, sold a mips

asciilifeform: but - i will not. i have other work!

asciilifeform: who wants - please, do, port to mac, vax, silicongraphics, cray.

asciilifeform: and uses nothing whatsoever but the kernel abi!

asciilifeform: because static.

asciilifeform: i will repeat that rotor binary ~is expected to work on all linux from 2.6+~

asciilifeform: somebody (mod6?) had it on openbsd

asciilifeform: ars longa, vita brevis (tm) (r)

asciilifeform: who wants - can.

asciilifeform: i will not support mactardation.

asciilifeform: i will not support soviet pdp-11.

asciilifeform: i will not support vms on vax.

asciilifeform: but ~i personally~ will from now on support ~only~ rotor. and soon after, only rotolinux (buildroot for arbitrary arch that includes therealbitcoin and its deps, and toolchain to reconstruct self and the latter.) ☟︎

asciilifeform: i won't presume to tell other people to use, or not use.

asciilifeform: go, use.

asciilifeform: which is not sexy, not gentooitic, no, but behaves ~reasonably~

asciilifeform: it takes what, ten minutes to install 'centos 6.5' ?

asciilifeform: why, why ???

asciilifeform: ferfuckssake, WHY do folks persist in trying to develop on retarded osen ?