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mircea_popescu: y. one tends to go around naked and slather peanut butter on himself, the other tends to behave as if the panties were glued on, there's really no substantial difference.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re other point : i dun believe there is such a thing as an autodidact. everyone that knows anything learned that thing, themselves. no one can learn outside of an environment, and there is no deeper relevancy to convention of the time than that -- convention of the time. dude who learns in dark room is going to be weird one way, girly that learns in room with other girlies and teacher is going to be weird the other wa
asciilifeform: incidentally the other-than-ffz part, is done
asciilifeform: 'P' will, i suspect, get some unexpected use as number theory sandbox for n00bz
mircea_popescu: look at the euler curve all you want, it dun satisfactorily resolve it.
asciilifeform: i recall first encounter with rsa.. frustration, 'the factors are IN there, damn it'
mircea_popescu: but they don't want to.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the pit is mandatory. the only diff b/w mircea_popescu's pitpets and dour autodidacts is that the pets occasionally get to leave the pit
mircea_popescu: or w/e, maybe i'm behind the times.
mircea_popescu: i wasn't thinking of anything specific, past the indeed kindergarten intuition that there's more to the triplet than we figured out.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you might find pollard-rho algo to be interesting. possibly it is what you were thinking of, earlier.
mircea_popescu: deride, deride, but half the world's magic works on this!
asciilifeform pictures tmsr number theory school. it's an earthen pit, with an old kindergarten textb00k...
mircea_popescu: what ~else~ can i predict, and looking at what exactly inside the two factors ?
mircea_popescu: i could predict this without looking at the 5.
asciilifeform: expand re that last one
mircea_popescu: also incidentally : what is the relation between arbitrary modulo, factorization, and reducing mults to adds ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, but that is because he implemented it without thinking, sorta like doing mult by repeated addition
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine he means that it overflow between the exp and the modular steps.
asciilifeform: which in turn must sit down in the width given
asciilifeform: how would it? result is necessarily < the modulo
asciilifeform: other thing: ~modular~ exp can't oveflow !
mircea_popescu: incidentally : "define *' so that modx(a * b) = modx(a) *' modx(b)" should be a legitimate abstract algebra approach.
asciilifeform: rather than having the mux run twice per step
asciilifeform: ave1: i also suspect that it would be simpler ~and~ faster to predict the overflow by finding eldest-bit of operands
mircea_popescu: you think it, you buy it!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 22:08 asciilifeform: 'This year, I’ve been thinking about prime numbers, and my hosting provider has run another sale on domain names. So, I’ve bought isthisprime.com. You can probably guess what I’ve made it do.'
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657602 << "i've been thinking, so i've bought" the system works! ☝︎
ave1: Yes, I understand, it would add n bits times m ops where n is 4096 at the minimum (already the pow takes a lot of time with the MUL and SQR in there)
asciilifeform: ( remember, we have ~fixed~ size integers, unlike other bignumtrons , they ~won't~ stretch to the absurd length you would need if you used div-after )
asciilifeform: won't even work on toy rsa that way
asciilifeform: ave1: not merely 'less than ideal', but totally useless
mircea_popescu: so the whole hiding song and dance has nothing to do with anything.
ave1: asciillifeform: ah, I understand I will do some more thinking on this, having a div after the mul and sqr would be less ideal, but an arbitrary modulo sqr and mul would be interesting
asciilifeform: 'i am honest man and have nothing to hide!!' (tm)(r)(1990s key escrow derps)
mircea_popescu wouldn't be in the slightest surprised if all this "big data" utilization is 0.0000 ppm.
mircea_popescu: way the fuck easier just pretending like the hairspray tubes are REALLY mics. google makes this easy now.
mircea_popescu: problem of modernity is nobody wants to listen. that nobody has anything to say worth listening to is obviously sufficient cause for that ; but the nobodies in question would much rather approach the problem from the former horn than the latter. good god, having something to say worth listening to sounds like it'd take effort.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 11:24 Framedragger: srsly :D ("i trust the back alley guy to only give me the tip; it wouldn't be nice if he wasn't honest about it. but if he said he'd fuck me in the ass from the get go, i guess that's ok")
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1658981 << contrary to shutin consensus, most chicks at the bar are slipping themselves roofies in desperation. if he didn't make it as a singer, at least maybe google thinks him a star ? ☝︎
ave1: I've been working on SQR, but although I can lower the number of steps, the operations per step go up, so far only 10% overall speed-up
ave1: Plus I assumed modulo was to be on the FZ size, arbitrary module would involve a IDIV at the end (or mask if module will be some power of 2)
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 02:10 asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 your mod-exp is just an... exp. and what was mcarry for ???
ave1: asciilifeform: Well, i wanted to save the carry from the square and include it when needed but I made a mistake: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1658947 ☝︎
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1spub/?raw=true
shinohai: At least you know to stock up on lube beforehand, ammirite?
Framedragger: srsly :D ("i trust the back alley guy to only give me the tip; it wouldn't be nice if he wasn't honest about it. but if he said he'd fuck me in the ass from the get go, i guess that's ok") ☟︎
shinohai: I see this making the n-gate roundup for the week
Framedragger: "According to Google, it will only send voice data back when it hears the keyword. Now if it explicitly goes against its own stated privacy policy, that's a breach of trust I would not be happy with. That said, if they explicitly stated they send all audio back, I'd actually be fine with that too."
Framedragger: just HN things - on google home (the "send all audio to google" appliance): "I have one, it's convenient and lets me control my home in what feels like a natural way. Personally, I don't see the downside of having it. Note; I mean I don't acknowledge a downside from my perspective. I'm fully aware that it's always listening and sending data home when it hears a keyword."
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at rancho technically-not-a-whore, https://68.media.tumblr.com/4ef74854f9e19065bed8ac47fb56fa59/tumblr_nkjguwd34C1uni2vgo1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: holding this vulnerability secret is doing such wonders
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6FCA2E6AEDD3C38B3E8CBFED4BFDAE661540AA34F168B4E792B2EB3768C29FF0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1605...8367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.243.15.2 (ssh-rsa key from 80.243.15.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6FCA2E6AEDD3C38B3E8CBFED4BFDAE661540AA34F168B4E792B2EB3768C29FF0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1427...3583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.243.15.2 (ssh-rsa key from 80.243.15.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
shinohai: A frozen chicken tender lovingly heated by Mom in the microwave before opening the second bottle of vodka.
mircea_popescu: what's a tendies ?
shinohai: "Mom sends down tendies @ 7pm sharp, can't ready during THAT hour."
shinohai: Might cut into the reddit posting time
mircea_popescu: hey. they dun got time!
shinohai: Well despite the fact it took me what felt like eons, i did read ref client src when I started fiddling with trb.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 02:04 shinohai: Appears no one reads src ... twas commited on shithub
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1658940 << open source dood, aren't you familiar with the "just the facts" horde yet ? ☝︎
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 your mod-exp is just an... exp. and what was mcarry for ??? ☟︎
asciilifeform: btw seems like they also twiddled the ecc params in that patch
asciilifeform: or for that matter the init. release.
asciilifeform: what else, gotta ask, was 'surreptitiously snuck into the Monero codebase' .
asciilifeform: '2017-02-21: The patch is surreptitiously snuck into the Monero codebase in pull request #1744. It is kept secret to prevent it being used to attack other CryptoNote coins.' ☟︎
shinohai: Appears no one reads src ... twas commited on shithub ☟︎
asciilifeform: how , incidentally, does this work
ben_vulpes: > secretly patched by the monero team
BingoBoingo: Gotta put future generations in their place and discourage grave robbing somehow
BingoBoingo: Set in yard, build outhouse over, when ground threatens to overtake door close and leave gift for archaeologists.
ben_vulpes: in other totally-not-medium-rebrandeds: https://backchannel.com/how-one-little-cable-company-exposed-telecoms-achilles-heel-480e49b648bf
BingoBoingo: Or self burying trash dumpster, take your pick
asciilifeform not mega-expert on treasure-buryin', but generally folx do it in places where they can later get to it unnoticed
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'll do without burying treasures (which treasures..) in random rental back yard, kthx
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i haven't got 1 surface that wouldn't auger in under that thing, and that includes the mud liquishit that is the 'yard' << Maybe you want have vault so it augers and sinks? Self burying treasure chest!
asciilifeform: i already have one of these.
ben_vulpes: me neither, but i still happily tear up lawns, emplace shitboard sheds
asciilifeform: well i dun own properties, here or there, so it doesn't make much diff to me
ben_vulpes: makes the pacific northwest sound like a not entirely miserable shithole, the place where you live
asciilifeform: ( for not getting the right permits, or somesuch fuckwittery )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not far off from where i live, a d00d did this, city fined him and made him break it apart
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X5We4/?raw=true
asciilifeform: i haven't got 1 surface that wouldn't auger in under that thing, and that includes the mud liquishit that is the 'yard'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: house that can actually hold the safe, costs moar, however.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they also had a 2tonne safe, for some reason , in the back, and willing to let it go for cheap. but asciilifeform has neither flatbed nor crane nor concrete plinth. << Such things can be rented, ~300 - 700 for combination for whole day
ben_vulpes: log cabin not yet built; train station operators pay for heat and a/c.
ben_vulpes: i still trek into town, but more for hysterical raisins and camaraderie.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: far from free, but the new party is a good one.
ben_vulpes: well he's liquidating them for a reason, neh?
ben_vulpes: eh, i'll settle for jewing my little brother down over the nsa backdoors in his gaming rigs
asciilifeform: it's a 1ce a decade or so thing, for asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: now quick to firesales to buy more shit to weigh down your pockets!
asciilifeform: congrats, then, ben_vulpes , on being a free man
ben_vulpes: i did obliquely mention this, yes.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 04:02 ben_vulpes: more specifically, "assuming one wants a car shop for purely emotional and recreational reasons, how to determine what to pay for it?" "calculate hardware liquidation price, discount four years of cashflow declining by 10-30% a year to today, and offer a dime over that"