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mod6: i considered getting one of these, but i wanted to try the concave thing first on something ~half the cost.
asciilifeform: not being able to physically relocate the keys, is frustrating.
asciilifeform: this even with not having to use x configs for anything, as i have custom micro in there with custom fw
mod6: speaking of special keys in the middle, i suppose one could remap all of the maltron keys into the middle.
asciilifeform: the rest, yet unused, because in a shithole, rather than where i want'em
asciilifeform: funnily enough, my 'f' gives me 24 'extra' keyz, of which i've only to date used a few ! ( to make the missing f11, f12, esc, printscr, scrollock )
phf: “ and then you tell your keyboard driver og X or whatever that you have placed the parens {} [] () and <> (unshifted and shifted) in what used to be the 6YHN colum”
phf: he basically just took the naggum posts from ron garret's complete(-ish) archive of comp.lang.lisp
phf: definitely not "all public groups" but maybe the keyboard is there
asciilifeform: and certainly the keyboard
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack : imho naggum's mega-insight was that the hands have 0 business being so close together as they typically are, and that the space ~between~ them oughta contain specials
phf: no, and i think it was in emacs group, so no xach archive
asciilifeform: what did he have in there ? phf do you have the original article handy ?
phf: those are chorded AND you have to travel
asciilifeform: iirc he had ( and ) both in there. but could be wrong.
phf: you're either chording or traveling. there's only enough space for alphabet there. naggum's hack is that he puts opening parts of { [ ( pairs on the middle row, but he still has to chord for closing. (he presumably uses electric mode)
asciilifeform: key modes, imho, are like the topmost shelf in bookcase in a house with proper (19th c euro) ceiling height -- a place for rarely-used things
asciilifeform: ( and -- perhaps like oceanic boat -- this is a MUCH trickier object to hand-craft than you might think )
asciilifeform: for a while i had pedals. threw'em out because mechanically infuriatingly poor quality
phf: well, it's a trade off between that, and travel distance
asciilifeform: i also chord to get greek, sure
phf: sure, but the rest
asciilifeform: i remap '[' ']' to '(' ')' when lisp
phf: unless you have unchorded specials, and you use number keypad for numbers, but then you have hell of lateral travel
phf: you already chord to get to any of the special symbols, when you press shift
mod6: i vi/m, and i have to say that with the kinesis, the tiny ESC key bugs me. so i remap ESC to the right thumb ctrl key, and the 'OS' key to ctrl.
asciilifeform: how does this chord differ ?
phf: yes, but it's nothing like the item in question
asciilifeform: i had a keyboard where you had to press 'fn' to turn numbers into Fs
phf: ~sounds~ is the keyword here
asciilifeform: why not have 10-key chorder then.
phf: your modifiers are under your thumb, and you chord
phf: but the big insight of arensito is to move all the special chars into an additional mode. so parenthesis are for example on altgr-k altgr-l etc.
phf: yeah, there's actually some "modern" qwerty modification that puts special chars on middle column
mod6: phf: aha. even with qwerty on the kinesis, it still messes me up a bit now on regular staggard row layouts. i never tried alt layouts such as dvorak since a friend went through the same thing. always found himself having to switch everyone elses keyboard to dvorak just to "use" their keyboard for a minute.
asciilifeform: phf: that resembles naggum's layout
asciilifeform: the up-side : 1) incomparable ( at least i cannot describe it in words ) feel of 'click' 2) theoretically eternal board. there are NO electrical contacts exposed, it works on electric fields.
phf: mod6: i used that one for a long time with arensito layout (http://www.pvv.org/~hakonhal/main.cgi/keyboard). still the most pleasant typing experience i've had, but was also entirely antisocial, i.e. couldn't use any other keyboards at all
asciilifeform: oh and i oughta mention, getting the thing together requires woodworker's clamps and just-so nudge'shove, takes 5-6 tries, during each of which all 122 keys fall out and separate into spring, anvil...
asciilifeform: if you ever manage to get hold of one, it'll need 1) paint strip 2) paint job, on 6 pieces 3) entirely new electronics 4) ultrasonic cleaning 5) calibration
asciilifeform: not to be confused with a certain visually-identical model-m
mod6: is there any specific model you use/prefer?
asciilifeform: or, at the very worst, 'white alps'
mod6: it's got the cherry mx reds. been using it for a month. im getting used to it.
asciilifeform: and i'm quite satisfied with it, and wouldn't trade it for any industrially-produced supposedly-equivalent item.
asciilifeform: even, for instance, the keyboard asciilifeform is using at this moment, took a man-month of asciilifeform
mod6: asciilifeform: also, re 'wires', indeed, just experiment at this point, not for battlefield use.
asciilifeform: there is ~nothing~ that can remotely hold a candle to craftsmanship-with-your-own-hands-for-your-own-fucking-self ☟︎
asciilifeform: exactly like how mircea_popescu gets food finer than the finest, costliest cook could reliably make for him for money ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: and yes, i'd expect to pay ~materials by weight~ cost, considering that thread was about a hypothetical boat that ~one builds with own hands~
asciilifeform: 'car-sized' is flexible thing. car-footprint.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the yacht i visited recently had 2 ~q - beds and was externally not larger than three BingoBoingo-trucks stacked vertically
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
mod6: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Let me know how much entropy you'd like, I'll run ent test & dieharder against it, let you decide if you want it. I'll ask 0.1 BTC per Gb. What is your bid? ☟︎☟︎
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> not sure, possibly nobody gave a shit. << iirc no websites for either existed at the time of listing.
mircea_popescu: not tom ention the part where it's "Car-sized" on the outside and "q-bed sized" on the inside.
mircea_popescu: he wants to pay ~what pvc costs per the weight for an ocean-going item. it's not unlike me speccing "i want computer made out of seminole grain. they can make pasta out of it, why not computer."
mircea_popescu: phf the "constraint" resultant strictly determines the item as a psychological rather than physical constructy.
phf: yes, but what about the kraken
asciilifeform: incidentally if you're gonna diesel, it ought to be in a sub ( or at least 'narco sub', no moar than half metre above water )
asciilifeform: btw orlol never mentions kingstons, and imho they are the most important control on any serious boat!111
phf: considering that the thing is designed for fambly, shooting will be a mercy
asciilifeform: 'wtf, this thing is empty'
asciilifeform: incidentally this here is another possible minus of 'old tanker as houseboat' idea. picture the pirates. they might shoot you out of sheer frustration...
asciilifeform: afaik modern pirates deal in tankers, which are valuable ( and insured + unarmed ) and not car-sized yachts, likewise
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 03:32 mircea_popescu: famous russian gun commentator guy explains this cannonicaly, imo. "thief - wants to get loot. not to die with you there."
asciilifeform: phf: there is also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596880 ☝︎
phf: (all of this is pretty obvious, if you ask yourself, how did you have so many skirmishes during the age of exploration, given how big the ocean is and how few vessels compared to now were on the surface)
phf: or sitting without wind and current in the middle of nowhere, praying that you have enough gas to take you to a closest stream
phf: so you basically have a choice between traveling along known paths (that will connect land to land, or near land)
phf: be at huge disadvantage if you're attempting to avoid slipstreams.
phf: i don't have enough experience with open ocean sailing, but the ocean is not as big as you think, as far as pirate avoidance is concerned, because of the currents. you have stable streams, that are essentially mandatory for long distance travel. piracy has been traditionally carried out at various locations where these currents terminate or switch. if you're primarily relying on wind (and there's only so much gas your little boat will carry), you will
asciilifeform: fact remains, pirate density is higher on land, than at sea.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 22:30 mircea_popescu: if the sheep found a way to graze on rafts, the wolves would ride around in speedboats.
asciilifeform: rather than a 'stfu, idiot, you asked for philosopher's stone'
asciilifeform: this may or may not be feasible with current tech. but is imho a legit technical problem.
asciilifeform: or teleporter, ditto
phf: can presumably spec out the thing by noting all the instances of "omg, i definitely not don't need X that does Y what are you stupid" and building a constraint rules out of them
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: i dun need an iron thing built to last for 10y and eating $1000 diesel to move 10km, for anything
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 00:18 mircea_popescu: eh, my recollection of the discussion is, "there's houseboat and there's yacht. there's no batshit-nonsense for the ~same reason there's no golf club cum baseball bat cum tennis racket."
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661215 < the end of this thread was MP noting that if you wanted a boat, buy it when the Korean shipping firm imploded, else stuff. ☝︎
asciilifeform: there is also some variation in the analogue components.
asciilifeform: ( slightly more, or slightly less, depending on room temp )
gabriel_laddel_p: and have already taken 300 of his dollars
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: diva send the x61? I have someone waiting on me to deliver a masamune atop it
mircea_popescu: now to see if he deleted it lol.
asciilifeform: theoretically you dun need a physical unit, for such a test
gabriel_laddel_p: no no, they'd rather buy several months worth of soylent
gabriel_laddel_p: have tried, and tried and tried
gabriel_laddel_p: I'm happy to compute myself, but am having a hard time convincing ppl to buy me FG
gabriel_laddel_p: I was planning on selling FG using this, but have a lot on my plate
gabriel_laddel_p: for MNIST or the like?
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: you specifically talked to who?
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: and you say this with what basis?
asciilifeform: because , for instance, they already have one.
asciilifeform: fwiw worx great . but they'd rather use intel's.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: what, the geiger counter NN training, or another one?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: we even had a thread about this
mircea_popescu: let the man do his ada rsa
gabriel_laddel_p: and will give a better prediction / faster convergence than PRNGs