asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't speak for other distros, but the magic moment of gentoo beginning its slide into hitler's bunker is often said to be the time when the lead programmer went to work for microshit.

asciilifeform: gcd==12884901891; Herbert Saurugg <herbert.saurugg@bmlv.gv.at>; Herbert Saurugg (aufgrund der Umstellung auf BMLVS - 2009) <herbert.saurugg@bmlvs.gv.at>;

asciilifeform: http://www.bmlvs.gv.at << lol

asciilifeform: and can we mebbe get lobbesbot again ?

asciilifeform: (first of new batch!)

asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B5963F9EB8534A2D1D382180AF41F6EDB977FF994BBB58431DDC7E7E636E0522

asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaand....

asciilifeform: 'Debord's first book, Mémoires, was bound with a sandpaper cover so that it would damage other books placed next to it.' << win

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or like brezhnev's 'communism is coming in 1980'

asciilifeform: hey, gcc doesn't expect to move.

asciilifeform: and yes, wtf

asciilifeform: as in, /home/schmuck/foo/bar/rotor/toolchain

asciilifeform: path that makes it break if you move or rename the dir.

asciilifeform blows dust off priceless original

asciilifeform blows dust off samizdat xerocopy of samet

asciilifeform: in its entire history.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for reference, samet was/is one of the maybe six sane and respectable profs in that dept

asciilifeform: notbad.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no. the 90%

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this used to be sop

asciilifeform: so there's gotta be some other part of this story.

asciilifeform: and hell, 90% failure rate is ~mandatory~ in freshmen 'weeders'

asciilifeform: than anything in sicp

asciilifeform: and wtf, much harsher coursework was done there when i was a wee lad

asciilifeform: phf: never saw him in person, but we had his book.

asciilifeform: phf: samet!

asciilifeform: aha/

asciilifeform: btw, iirc mircea_popescu once asked why dijkstra is not taught in american schools. the reason is not a secret: he openly taught that fewer people have any business programming computer than performing surgery

asciilifeform: yes, yes they can.

asciilifeform: 'anybody can gather rat shit and smear it in a wound.'

asciilifeform: 'what medical skill? it's like shitting, anyone can do it'

asciilifeform: 'eh, medicine?! anybody can take a knife and let blood'

asciilifeform: just - in principle, possible.

asciilifeform: half the battle is merely to get anybody to contemplate that it is possible to eat things other than shit

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '...not unlike the idea that there can exist "professional code" or professional defecation. Get over it, everyone's doing it anyway.' << i've said before, and will say again: this not-unfounded notion is not a neutral observation, but a normative; and for so long as folks expect a steaming heap of shit on their plates, that is what will be served for dinner.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232838 << and when i tell mircea_popescu 'they own the backbone', he laughs ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: sorta like if somebody took moldbug's suggestion of digging up and reinstating the stewart monarchy somehow

asciilifeform: a kind of legitimacy-washing of unrelated structures

asciilifeform: the whole experiment in bringing back emperors was a flop

asciilifeform: had papers published, even.

asciilifeform: esp. given as that was his true calling (ichthyology)

asciilifeform: wouldn't surprise me if it means something like 'deep sea fish'

asciilifeform: ask jp

asciilifeform: or hell, ru prison nicknamez

asciilifeform: (e.g., 'emperor showa' not hirohito)

asciilifeform: posthumous names

asciilifeform: or the japanese version of this, full-bore

asciilifeform: get a temp name and assigned a proper one ~when deserved~

asciilifeform: this is why kings, popes, have the right pattern

asciilifeform: just like a turd isn't normally given a name before flushing

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall your observation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229166 ? i often have problems naming something that i strongly feel doesn't deserve a name ☝︎

asciilifeform: phf: this can be made to work for anything that has printability method defined, aha

asciilifeform: let'em also go and de-swearword the soviet phaktory.

asciilifeform: (tm) (r)

asciilifeform: 'to criticize is to volunteer'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let'em come here and name then.

asciilifeform: burn your computer.

asciilifeform: ??!

asciilifeform: odd

asciilifeform: last i saw, fare was more of a 'libertarian'-flavoured crackpot ?

asciilifeform: (which rotor is based on)

asciilifeform: back when i released pogotron

asciilifeform: i did warn!

asciilifeform: (xiah lee, don't expect to see anywhere. he literally ran out of money and went to wash dishes for minimum wage, and sold his computer iirc)

asciilifeform: xach - no one seems to know anything about.

asciilifeform: it was xiah lee who starved

asciilifeform: i'm entirely misremembering

asciilifeform: or hm no!

asciilifeform: sadly, he (iirc) starved.

asciilifeform: phf: xach is a serious lulzmine

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: does it ~work~ ?

asciilifeform bbl

asciilifeform: and sure, go and scoop ocean out with a thimble. but doing it ~quickly~ is another matter.

asciilifeform: (will a typical tx, much less block, even fit in the 64k address space ?)

asciilifeform: have fun verifying blocks in <10M on that trs.

asciilifeform: but this does not magick away the problem of ~on what to develop~.

asciilifeform: and yes, one can turn bitcoind into a kernel of sorts. (you cannot use a linux kernel as a base for this. to understand why, read src for kmalloc, etc.)

asciilifeform: gotta support modern disks, and modern bus, and ram, and... and.

asciilifeform: but if you want to use bitcoin - suddenly there are all kinds of hard constraints

asciilifeform: if you want to play 'rogue', you can use whatever iron you found in old university dumpster, yes

asciilifeform: at ~10kB/s.

asciilifeform: and running blockchain on an elephantine heap of floppies swapped in and out by hand.

asciilifeform: and before mircea_popescu chimes in and says 'find old hardware', let's see him booting from a floppy

asciilifeform: it turned into a pathetically shabby imitation linux

asciilifeform: the latter runs on actual hardware which you may be able to find - but NO LONGER FITS IN BOOK

asciilifeform: compare minix2 to minix3

asciilifeform: one notable attempt at 'fits in book but usable' was minix. a failed attempt.

asciilifeform: as it is, unix is dead, and we will come to regret keeping it on life support this way.

asciilifeform: what ~i~ would like is a modern unix that FITS IN A FUCKING BOOK like the sysv5 in 'the lions book'

asciilifeform: and bloats everything

asciilifeform: 'tis a 'hole through which the night leaks in'

asciilifeform: depressing that they're doing utf

asciilifeform: imho ought to go in some kind of logical order - iirc most folks don't even have rotor working yet.

asciilifeform: eh, was just curious if anyone ~has~

asciilifeform: in favour of something else that they wrote

asciilifeform: mod6: iirc they are dispensing with it entirely

asciilifeform: would be interesting to learn whether this actually lives peacefully with any existing proggy

asciilifeform: seems as if they are even abolishing 'busybox' in favour of something 'fits-in-head'-flavoured