asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, yes!

asciilifeform: if i had 78k pgs in one crate, would probably just burn'em

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: spiffy

asciilifeform: Varia_Varietatis: gribble is no longer used here

asciilifeform: still using wrong bot

asciilifeform: like any other cutting tool

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: doesn't hurt to oil the thing, also.

asciilifeform: pretty sure that all shredders other than perhaps petrol-powered 'enron'-grade units, will croak after a thousand pgs or so

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the eventual fate of all things

asciilifeform: thing claims to cut disks, even.

asciilifeform: *crosscut

asciilifeform back, was playing with his first proper crusscut shredder

asciilifeform: perhaps n6 would like it.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you had a favourite book re: openbsd i recall ?

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233729 << and a death ray, '... and a pony' ☝︎

asciilifeform: why not return to the '80s briefcase phone, too

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233727 << yes, i had one. no, i can't think of a reason to tear my pockets with it again ☝︎

asciilifeform: !up Varia_Varietatis

asciilifeform: (improvement over the skinnerists, who thought it was... 4 if-statements)

asciilifeform: who said something like 'cognition is ten thousand if-statements'

asciilifeform: like doug lenat

asciilifeform: some supposedly 'intelligent' folks took this to ridiculous heights

asciilifeform: but more importantly, assume that this is the only possible way anything could be done.

asciilifeform: they do everything via lookup table

asciilifeform: not only sins

asciilifeform: see?

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these are the same folks who think that education consists of 'having read many learnedbooks'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because they are unable to synthesize

asciilifeform: Varia_Varietatis: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-04-2015#1105532 ☝︎

asciilifeform: doesn't appear to be in sks

asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise

asciilifeform: (and a silhouette of a head is probably enough in the land of burqa)

asciilifeform: but betcha hair works in the land of the chador

asciilifeform: more commonly given example is shoes

asciilifeform: just like the 'deoxygenated copper audiophile cable' and the monumental 'green marker for improving cd audio'

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233874 << this is inevitable. ☝︎

asciilifeform: perhaps they wish to 'chortle on the balls' (tm) (r) ('silicon valley')

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: subjective, rather than formal; but how many seconds does it take ~you~ to realize that you won't be hardening to a particular pr0n

asciilifeform: what is this 'begins.'

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233849 << that was hearn's thing for years now, srsly ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233785 << the usg-connected folks who specialize in bringing'em back in gotta eat ! ☝︎

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: it was an animated gif thing with a cycling cock center stage

asciilifeform: but then again that could be just me.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but it means to me that the naked and juicing bits in pr0n ought to belong to females

asciilifeform: mno

asciilifeform: srsly, am i the only straight bloke here or what

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233745 << error: cock visible ☝︎

asciilifeform: (also shows how usg police state was already firmly in place in that period, for anyone who had doubts)

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233737 << all these grunt labour slots - now freed up so folks can derp on reddit, aha ☝︎

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

asciilifeform: i might be able to help

asciilifeform: hanbot: what are you trying to build ?

asciilifeform: but not a patching guide, rather, patches were applied. but it tells you which, and you can obtain previous release tarball, apply them yourself, and compare the result.

asciilifeform: and there is this, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000140.html by mod6

asciilifeform: (i have not, unfortunately, tested the latter)

asciilifeform: unless the automatic script created by ben_vulpes is one

asciilifeform: i am unaware of it

asciilifeform: and hanbot did you notice that this guide long pre-dates stator ?

asciilifeform had no part in writing the linked recipe

asciilifeform: mod6 ?

asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can we has the bot back plz ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: gcd==141733920801; Luciano Buszmicz (Never forget: 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.) <lbuszmicz@zimbra.itx.net>;

asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C37B216D569982CD4D18802D703548E1A352C5E3C3F6057CEC02FFAFF9C8ABD

asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaaaand....

asciilifeform: then - psychiatry.

asciilifeform: but if your colleagues are insane ?

asciilifeform: only massaging

asciilifeform: it doesn't respond to incentives

asciilifeform: not sure if involved. at least in the usual sense. thing isn't a horse, or dog, more like a very ill-tuned piano

asciilifeform: yes, related. no, not equivalent.

asciilifeform: that's rather like saying that 'literary skill is good penmanship'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i happen to regard the alarm clock as the single most destructively irritating thing in my entire existence

asciilifeform: in that one creates artifacts that become foundational for future people.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233014 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233009 then 'management' and 'programming skill' are entirely one and the same thing in that field. ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: i like to think of the more positive, stalin sense

asciilifeform: conceivably. but would not be so tall without 'giant's shoulders'

asciilifeform: but i do not think this corresponds to the generally-understood meaning of the word 'management'

asciilifeform: what honour!

asciilifeform: or what, i sit and write a sorter, and so i'm being managed by kerr knuth!?

asciilifeform: if this is 'managed', then a brick falling is 'managed'

asciilifeform: how?

asciilifeform: after all, egg is not the only thing that comes out of a chicken..

asciilifeform: ^ not intended to imply that ~all~ items created this way are worth using

asciilifeform: but thus far most of the software artifacts i personally see as making a computer worth using at all, were written by one (or handful) of people, and largely on stolen/embezzled employer time, and under no management whatsoever other than the 'emperor in their heads'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eulora, conceivably, but i don't know enough about how it was built, and precisely by whom, and to what kind of outcome, to say anything interesting

asciilifeform: could. but none of the items i'm personally familiar with in depth do

asciilifeform: as proof ?

asciilifeform: qualify as... ?

asciilifeform: as opposed to, y'know, some idler who just felt like it. (unix, c, hell, lisp)

asciilifeform: or, alternatively, example some software artifact even vaguely worth using, to intelligent folks, that was ~produced under sound management~

asciilifeform: (a la steve jobs)

asciilifeform: say, example of 'good management' in that sphere that doesn't, when you scratch it, reveal itself to be a case of programming-with-human-compilers

asciilifeform: i regard it as far from proven fact that these are separable activities in software-making.

asciilifeform: thus shattering the illusion that 'everything benefits from being written by folks with day jobs' and 'open source lives well on sunshine and kisses'