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asciilifeform: erlehmann: funnily enough -- today -- i can
erlehmann: asciilifeform i guess you cannot control your computing experience? the answer from the boss of my boss to “can i install linux on the macbook to get a sane keyboard layout” was “got it, you get a thinkpad”
phf: yeah, likewise the whole back and forth killed it for me.
asciilifeform: having to ever go back and forth -- is what nukes the whole 'custom keyboard' thing for many folx (incl. asciilifeform)
phf: well, that was a while ago (i switched back almost a decade ago), but even now more so now i spend a lot of time, working on other people's machines (i.e. developers that are stuck or need help or whatever)
asciilifeform: so then you don't have your layout. ~unless~ you did it in hardware.
erlehmann: i can do qwertz still. on my work laptop i have not even changed the keycaps.
asciilifeform: ( sooner or later you will boot into something -- hell, even if only bios setup or rescue disk -- or an ancient lappy on kvm, etc -- that doesn't know about your magic layout )
erlehmann: asciilifeform due to mod keys or what?
erlehmann: same for OS X, apparently. my boss told me he tried to use it there and it was a pain due to something i cannot remember.
erlehmann: two exes of mine learned neo2 immediately after i explained the concept. one of them was often frustrated because her work computer was running windows and apparently windows + keyboard layout = shitcock
phf: i saw that was posted in 2014, and i was mostly curious if you stuck with it. i used arensito for almost 4 years, but once i started doing corporate work, particularly management work, it became somewhat impractical.
erlehmann: phf i still use the neo2 keyboard layout. it has several advantages over qwert(y|z) for me: 1. less strain put on my hands 2. useless caps lock replaced with another mod key 3. built-in layers for useful unicode 4. compose in the base layout
erlehmann: dear diary, yesterday a person on IRC asked me if i am jealous after i referred to ethereum as a scam again. jealous, i asked. yes, she answered, jealous of people who invest in cryptocurrencies! ☟︎
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BingoBoingo: Eh, it's pete_dushenski. Peter throw some moly grease on it!
asciilifeform: scrape that shit off, put in 'arctic silver' or whatever yer favourite 'toothpaste'
asciilifeform: holy fuq pete_dushenski , i suppose you've never taken a heat sink off before ?!
asciilifeform: then put wires in the breadboard, attached to scope
asciilifeform: mod6: another tip : when playing with fg & scope/logic analyzer, it is convenient to turn it upside-down and sink the 'teeth' into a breadboard
asciilifeform: it's what, 1kHz tho.
mod6: sure, ok. it does seem, that when i clip on to that with the crock, and the probe, it gets square just fine. i read that means that it's "compensated" correctly.
asciilifeform: see if you can get it to display the wave pictured in the manual.
asciilifeform: mod6: play with the test clip on the scope ( the thing immediately to the right of ch4 bnc jack ) first
mod6: im just uber n00b on this thing. gotta rtfm.
mircea_popescu: do you have a function like that activated ?
mod6: not sure about the 'out'
mod6: clk looks better to me in that case, like I somehow have it dialed in more properly.
asciilifeform: mod6: after you have the basics , everything else will make sense.
asciilifeform: ftr mod6 has much spiffier scope than asciilifeform
mod6: ok makes sense to what im seeing on the screen
asciilifeform: if you set '10x' that turns on voltage divider
mod6: they were set to 10x, gonna see if turning 'em down to 1 shows me anything different
mod6: these probes have this little switch on them. "1x -> 10x"
asciilifeform: it is still very loudly mutilated by your cabling but this is not avoidable (without specially made cable)
mod6: does the clk still look ok?
asciilifeform: is the blue input ac-coupled by any chance ?
mod6: i used the sheilds for gnd this time, feel like im learning a bit, thanks for the help.
asciilifeform: you can then use it as a manual sharp-needle-poke
asciilifeform: moar wisdom : the nose of the scope probe, comes off
asciilifeform: ( you do NOT want a long wire between ground clip and the circuit )
asciilifeform: ( it is tied to the ground plane )
asciilifeform: another tip : rng shield is an ok place for the gnd clip
asciilifeform: the effect in your picture is not the power supply's fault
mod6: yeah, i rigged that up, but im having trouble with the space. i suppose i could elminate the USB-TTL for power and just use 5v from Dr. Meter tho right?
asciilifeform: if you want to see something closer to the actual signal
asciilifeform: get rid of the massive cable / multiple clip-to-cable joints
mod6: decent! thanks, ima see if i can get the 'out' in there too
asciilifeform: yeah, that'd be it
asciilifeform: ( even a very clean clock, if frequency is >1MHz or so, will not look like 'ideal' square when viewed through clip probes on scope. you will see 'ringing' )
mod6: it's not a square wave tho.
mod6: i've since, just wanna look at the clock, see if i've got it hooked up right. i've got probe on channel one connected to 'clk' pin. probe's crock is attached to a lead coming off 'gnd' pin.
asciilifeform: mod6: you wouln't leave 1 lead off voltmeter hanging in the air, wouldja? same idea.
asciilifeform: shield - to the gnd clip
asciilifeform: center connects to tip of probe
asciilifeform: mod6: you will notice that scope bnc connector has two conductors
asciilifeform: it exists ~between~ two objects
mod6: yah, im extreme n00b at this
mod6: nada. wasn't sure on that.
asciilifeform: to what did you attach the black crocodile ?
asciilifeform: ( there are no sinusoids to be had on that board )
mod6: haha, i dun think im doin it right.
mircea_popescu: wtf values are those.
mircea_popescu: so the clock transitions ~0.1ms ; but the output dun seem rightr
mod6: mircea_popescu: just kinda takin a look at things, nothing in particular. educational.
mod6: yellow (channel 1) is the clk output; blue (channel 2) is the 'out' output from the fg
mircea_popescu: i dunno wtf this is.
mod6: sorry for the yuuuge
mod6: i gotta take a pic here i think, but yah, two distinct different wave patterns.
asciilifeform: ( output has peridic component !! -- the start/stop bits )
mod6: i do have two probes...
mod6: 'out' is pretty chatty too though
mod6: im more... using it as a vehicle to learn how to scope.
asciilifeform: ( not, as you can already guess, contiguously -- but when there's a byte ready )
asciilifeform: what do you hope to see on the scope, mod6 ? thing puts out 115200,8,1,noparity
mod6: this scope has a usb port, so i dropped in the USB to see if I can get the output saved on there. gotta rtfm i think
asciilifeform: all signals on the board (other than the 2 coming from rngs ) are in that clock domain
asciilifeform: mod6: put the trigger on clock (CLK) pin
mod6: got the probe setup on the out pin. been waiting to try this. just didn't incause I fuck it up.
asciilifeform: ( you want logic analyzer, or at the very minumum : storage scope , for this , not much periodic wave to be had on FG )
mod6: got this FG #2 hooked up to the scope
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the tiresome faggots who keedp going "oh mom, i too could be an atlas couldn't i ? i'm tall enough ?" are no fucking object of this discussion.
mircea_popescu: maleness in its you know, male form is doing fucking fine, and doesn'tr care about the stupid tea party.
asciilifeform: for some reason atlases only ever shrug in bad megab00x by ru emigre chix, tho. and not in actual reality.
mircea_popescu: self important little cunts. what the everloving fuck, "look at me, i live without a roof, WE HAVE DEPRECATED ROOVES!!11"
mircea_popescu: "We are killing masculinity. Maleness in all its forms has been deprecated as an outdated bit of software. Something to be rewritten for the modern world."
mircea_popescu: o i know, let's plead like a little bitch, that'll do something.
ben_vulpes: that's the quote, yes
ben_vulpes: john robb on an entirely new trip: http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2017/06/man-is-dead-and-we-have-killed-him-you-and-i.html
mircea_popescu: but of course they'd be within su wot. that's how these light states work.
asciilifeform: and it also isn't clear to me why -- even when the corpse really Musted Die -- maggots are somehow 'respectable'
mircea_popescu: which is the ~only criteria of respectability.
mircea_popescu: but if i had to guess i'd say a larger % of all-wealth-controlled-by-russians belongs to "criminals" and "terrorists" than is the case of the us.
mircea_popescu: im really not that familiar
asciilifeform: not clear, at least to asciilifeform's naked eye, that they 'got out', or that the box even has an out-hole
mircea_popescu: unlike the eurotards, they got out relatively early, 1 century in.
mircea_popescu: well, su really needed new government. the "socialist" bullshit only runs so far.
asciilifeform: they passed the exam tho.
mircea_popescu: fuck that retarded deflective shit.