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mircea_popescu: well so then there the conversation ends. you are
a believer in some strange notions that don't carry currency here.
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: if you want
a first principles argument for the existence of the cathedral, that has been given already. i'm not going to repeat it in an IRC channel. everyone knows where to find it, i'm just wondering why you in particular haven't looked at it
mircea_popescu: the_scourge: wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral? <<
a) "the cathedral" is about as solid
a concept as moldbug's new os.
the_scourge: trinque: ok, having experienced both, i'm pretty sure old moldbug is
a much better mindfuck
chetty: <trinque> +the_scourge | mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken
a pill which ran an end-run around #b-
a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck// aren't they the same thing?
trinque: +the_scourge | mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken
a pill which ran an end-run around #b-
a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck
chetty: <the_scourge> chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is
a 'journalist' lol// no Brian Williams
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: oh yah cool BC is my stomping grounds but i worked in eddyville for
a few summers
the_scourge: mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken
a pill which ran an end-run around #b-
a ... not sure yet
mike_c: <+the_scourge> trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago << imagine what you'll whole heartedly believe
a month from now!
the_scourge was
a total progressive.
a libertarian, tory, ancap progressive
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: you've obviously not aquainted yourself with NRx at all. if you chose to read
a little and open your mind, it will hurt for several days
pete_dushenski: The God delusion is
a parasitic meme because, being alien to reason, it does not serve the interests of the host. << utter nonsense
the_scourge: chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is
a 'journalist' lol
the_scourge: right, but the religionists might defend them (or their right to
a trial) to the death
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> anyway : the only people in
a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise. <<
mircea_popescu: there's no need to hold anyone hostage to enact
a public gutting of government servants.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: when you plug
a lamp into
a mains socket, is that also
a 'streaming query' ? << win :D
the_scourge: ok hang on. are you REALLY saying that greed is more powerful and delusion (or religion)? because if you want to buy hitmen or hold the entire world ransom to
a dirty bomb or nuclear warheads, you're going to 1. have to find really fucking greedy nuclear engineers and/or suicide bombers and/or military guys
the_scourge: i remember seeing that war crimes comment
a LONG time ago
pete_dushenski: this is where we flip the table and say, "now hold on just
a minute. if we have the power, and we do, who should be scared of who now?"
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: it's worth noting that most people "in bitcoin" tremble in fear
a lot
mircea_popescu: anyway : the only people in
a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 01:25:17; mircea_popescu: so no, when i'm talking about hanging each and every us bureaucrat, through
a war crimes court, within our lifetime i am not being in any sense and to any degree metaphorical.
the_scourge: but i need to write this out in
a better way ^
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: but i need to formulate my concerns. it's mostly to do with ... if you've succeeded in preserving
a clean, elegant, un-pwnable bitcoind variant, then all the poser cyperpunks GTFO, leaving only
a small minority of (VERY valuable BTC) who are then in
a VERY phys-sec vulnerable position
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 23:53:56; mircea_popescu: jurov for what it's worth, here's my experience with bitcoin remittances : i sent btc to otc correspondents, ordered wires sent out to the hk account of my local agent, who has paid me dollars, in cash, in argentina. the entire process took less than what it takes to get
a letter of credit, and significantly less than what international trade normally settles in.
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: yah, i thought i had
a modicum of those things and while i totally grasp it, my age + intution is doing this thing saying: it would never pan out like that anyways"
mircea_popescu: somehow running
a duplicate along with the original or something ?
trinque: that fuss about orphan blocks in btcd's log the other day was
a jacked drive, killed 3 ldb files out of 15k
trinque: anybody know how to tell btcd to start from
a previous block and re-generate the rest?
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: it does take
a significant amount of interest in investing, monetary history, politics, to grasp
pete_dushenski: on
a digital forum where you don't even need to fuss about body language
pete_dushenski: how long do people have to admire from
a distance before talking to the pretty girl ?
mircea_popescu: oh now i know whence i know him, he linked to me
a few times.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Everyone who wanted qntra to have
a category page << remove the <li>, separate them by ; instead ?
the_scourge: the question is, have NRx found out that we actually live in
a world where 'nuclear' weapons don't do anything? that's potentially one of the corellaries to the entire argument
the_scourge: oh yah he takes it as
a manifesto. obviously my reaction would only be for those who are meticulously combing through UR, and haven't even bothered to have
a gander at xenosystems yet
assbot: On pretending “Googling” is still
a thing that works any more than “USG” | Contravex:
A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1Cyi3m8 )
assbot: Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex:
A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1Cyhbhe )
the_scourge: i think
a teenager today would find them obvious.
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: good advice but as
a non-USian who has spent 90% of his life outside the US and 100% of his adult life outside of N/
A, and has lived in non-western places as well, i think there could be something said for living for
a short while in california or new england
mircea_popescu: the jews found themselves in
a similar situation all through the 30s.
mircea_popescu: the_scourge the standing advice for all usians has been "get the fuck out of the us" for at least
a year.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski if you got the guy's email by virtue of him commenting, and you don't mind, drop him
a note saying i loathe blogspot, but if he has time drop by for
a chat.
the_scourge: oh! ... i joined today at the point where you said "opportunity of
a lifetime" < perhaps slightly /sarc ? :)
mircea_popescu: like, working on
a mud pie is stupid, working in
a badly designed house may or may not be stupid ?
the_scourge: right, so we know that working on
a stupid protocol or technology is just wasting time. what about working within
a social framework which is even more broken?
assbot: Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex:
A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1Cyeqwx )
mircea_popescu: ah there we go, it's right, i forgot it indexes after
a delay.
mircea_popescu:
a while back they could also improve it by handing out at elbow of papa while papa worked
mircea_popescu: but it IS
a perfectly valid if not the only available means for them to improve hteir world.
mircea_popescu: they are busy with much more suited tasks : picking
a group and figuring the hierarchy.
assbot: Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex:
A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1CydE2w )
mircea_popescu: and the something that's to be said is : hory shit that puts isis, china and everyone else in
a bad light
mircea_popescu: there's something to be said for
a society so dumb, even the scams have to be dumbed down lower and lower each generation.
punkman: I'm sure there's
a whole bunch of "writers" that saw "NRx" and thought "hey, Rx is the good stuff right"
mircea_popescu: last time intel got the job to diagnose this (after princessnell brought it up) it turned out there's maybe
a few dozen blogs, all dead.
the_scourge: there are hundreds of writers. probably thousands like myself who haven't got
a public profile.
the_scourge: fluffypony: never seen it, would idiocracy be
a similar example?
the_scourge raises hand < don't call me
a prick, no one else did
mircea_popescu: so let's leave aside the "therefore" bitcoin this and that, as i dun have the energy. instead, re "nrx" : i have little doubt that there are some kids in the us that thought the one repackaging of stuff they ran across is somehow more significant than all the repackagings they don't know, and definitely more significant than the originals. and that they need
a name and so on. this exercise in nominalism does not instit
the_scourge: please point them out, i'll not say
a word in the meantime
the_scourge: i think it's
a misconception that yarvin started NRx or even is/was
a leader in any way. he's
a good writer. he is NRx, yes
the_scourge: but basically, post-libertarianism. therefore bitcoin is designed with the wrong assumptions about society. it's designed by progressives. every person in the world born after 1805 is
a progressive, more or less
the_scourge: and considering i'm
a NRx'er, i'm pretty sure i'm for the former and against the latter
mircea_popescu: it's
a post hoc determination, and for this reason can not be used in any phenomena discussion.
the_scourge: ppcoin is more of an agorist/WoT effort to get past that post. more activity, more coin-days, more legitimate: less chance of
a grinding attack. until that point, you're hoping that the highly improbable does't happen. how is that different?
the_scourge: 'cause the coin-days of legitimate holders will far exceed whatever
a grinder could possibly come up with
the_scourge: erg sorry for multi line but this does not explain why peercoin's checkpoints won't work. we should call them something else if the word is causing
a problem in discussing it
the_scourge: checkpoints. This is
a very misleading name because it is already used to describe an anti-denial-of-
mircea_popescu:
a kind soul with git installed pls dpaste that shit sometime ty.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony srsly, got
a link to the whitepaper's github ? guy's tree's gnarly.
mircea_popescu: it is more
a function of people being removed from the means of production than anything. no living thing will ever accept its pointlessness. as such, cargo cults and mud pies everywhere.
mircea_popescu: in any case it indicates it's
a fallacy older than feudalism.
the_scourge: i actually wish there was
a marxist around to make it. at this very instant. < speaking of making things insanely complex
the_scourge: would this be
a good time to talk about how the mud pie fallacy is VERY apropos :)
mircea_popescu: Rippleflip tom swanson famously argued the same stuff, from perhaps
a better position than you'll find yourself in.