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mircea_popescu: the right structure is that structure which expresses the sum total of all the concepts in can express in the smallest total count of expression units. note that both fields being infinite, this is a difficult comparison to evaluate.
mircea_popescu: (ps. the lisp notation of basic arithmetic would win "least likely to succeed" "ass-ugliest award" from a vast majority of all the people who understand basic arithmetic. it "doesn't feel right" for almost anyone. 3+4 does.
mircea_popescu: which is why a flimsy repackaging of "popular advice" that doesn't even work on the fucking plane is horribru. not only it doesn't work in practice, but the mind that tends to make such confusions is probably in a very poor state to think about anything.
mircea_popescu: so yes, you can do just fine as a human interacting with humans on broken structure. just as long as it's broken in tolerable places.
gabriel_laddel: as for my id, I'm currently fixing <irritant to livelihood>. First chance I get I'm sitting down and sorting out the whole GPG thing. As it stands I was not particularly happy with the documentation it supplied and wasn't sure which parts I'd have to rewrite. My previous key got destroyed in a failed backup becuase I didn't spend enough time on it the first time around. Also, I don't think gossipd is happening via w
gabriel_laddel: using regexes for that is something like... trying to impregnate a woman through her arse.
mircea_popescu: but in any case : what do you figure is the difference bewteen "When you strike the natural structure, a sort of resonance occurs" and "perl is a fine way to do nixos" ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i actually was kinda disinterested in fucking as a young adolescent, was taught by older girls.
mircea_popescu: the fact of it being a pile a kludge is an excellent indication of it not being the best way, but rather heuristic in nature.
gabriel_laddel: the /feeling/ didn't do anything. It is merely a signal.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck already, if the planet crossed through a bogon ray one evening in 1988 and made everyone's brain essentially batrachian in nature i could never know.
mircea_popescu: What you hope to find is the natural structure of what you're describing — a structure that affords a really beautiful, simple description. When you strike the natural structure, a sort of resonance occurs, in which various subsidiary problems you may have had with your description just melt away, and the description practically writes itself."
mircea_popescu: "Suppose you're trying to find the best way to structure your description of something. (Examples: choosing the structure for a computer program to perform some task; or choosing the structure for a theory of physics.)
mircea_popescu: the sad reality is that the earlier "linux is a failure but doesn't have to stay that way" is slowly coming to the sobering reality that "it is a failure and systemfuck it."
mircea_popescu: "There are very few classics in the field of computing. We are at the very beginning of this journey and it hasn't even begun to get interesting yet. IMHO, the Cathedral vs. Bazaar isn't in anyway a dilemma or a classic. Linux was a failure 20 years ago, it is a failure today and any posturing otherwise is just that. "
asciilifeform: e.g., substitute a 'readline' that logs keys, etc.
asciilifeform: trying to explain that it is quit impossible to have a package management system above the language level that is not dumbed down by support for braindamaged languages. ☟︎
asciilifeform: likewise, another common form of braindamage is a lack of any fine-grained namespace control
mircea_popescu: "For instance, for ELF executables, we set the RPATH in the executable such that it will find a statically determined set of library dependencies at runtime, rather than using a dynamic mechanism such as the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable to look up libraries" holy shit.
mircea_popescu: only correct solution to political problems, b-a ness.
mircea_popescu: in MPWorld this is implemented as a sort of api, and languages either talk to it or are stuck doing 100% of the work themselves.
mircea_popescu: "Examples: at what point is appropriate to leave package management up to a language's ecosystem? Is there ever a reason to? " << one hell of a problem.
gabriel_laddel: ^ Correct. I ended up using it because I needed to quickly build a linux distro and someone told me it could do some things it couldn't really do.
mircea_popescu: the problem starts in 5th grade. there should be a class called Abstraction.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: they're part of the "pat-on-the-back" crowd that constantly need to be told what a good job they're doing else their paltry raison d'être will crumble
mircea_popescu: (much like people falling imagine everyone's looking when in fact nobod ycares, so the guy caught overstating his competency imagines the world ended when really - people just had a laugh).
mircea_popescu: that the idiocy of puritanism imposing "modesty" upon the coder (on top of chastity - which by the way, there's nothing great about not "raping" women, being a nice guy, great sense of humor etc. that's a drone.) limit people's ability to do crucial things for their success and the world's hygiene.
mircea_popescu: the best chemistry lab, were it to be maintained as a collection of bottles going "stuff" "Good stuff!" "REagenT" etc
gabriel_laddel: The last message from me in that thread contains a brief discussion of the "why" of lisp, that is, what separates it from being 'just another language'. Figured I'd post it in here because your previous trilema post discussing reverse polish notation and Erik Naggum + many #b-a messages didn't communicate to me that lisp has 'clicked' yet for many people.
mircea_popescu: "the human's inability to fully comprehend the parsing and syntactical schemes they're able to create" << this is actually a generally valid point, and about half of all problems of humanity come from this impedance mismatch.
mircea_popescu: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/4952 << skimmed a little. from a purely trolling perspective, it's not bad.
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jurov: that generator discussion..incredible. like, imma here running a server off only a little ups with 99.9% uptime
cazalla: that's quite quick considering it took @ElectrumWallet about a month to get that account back
mircea_popescu: by the way, let's help the haters out a little. http://trilema.com/2009/cocktail-flu/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Daca as bea bere la foc continuu, pe o teava cat gatul direct in stomac, fara sa inghit, tot n-as ajunge nicaieri << this is a national sport in usa, didja know ?
asciilifeform: only when i finally moved to current digs and got a 'shop vac' (industrial thing, picks up swarf in machine shop) finally can match 'buran'.
mircea_popescu: and sounded like a jet taking off
mircea_popescu: and yes it had a half bowl top and a fat cylinder butt
mircea_popescu: only thing that ever scared me. but i'd quit the room in a hurry
decimation: asciilifeform: actually that's not a bad idea, it doesn't take much breeze to keep mosquitos away
mircea_popescu: grandparents had a buran.
asciilifeform: drop from a 8th story window? no problem.
asciilifeform: still sits in many a summer 'dacha', used to - would you believe - gather up mosquitoes.
asciilifeform: to a lesser extent also famous are other vintage home appliances, like 'buran' vacuum cleaner - http://kartmen.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/20131126_162658.jpg ☟︎
decimation: in the us, the chumpatron is often kick-started by a government regulation that is sold as 'efficient' or 'safe'
asciilifeform: interestingly, this type of fridge chassis was formally banned in usa, despite giving a much tighter seal than the magnetic rubber used today
decimation: this is all a chumpatron on the 'let's break everyone's window so we can stimulate the window-repair economy' model
asciilifeform: and a '70s 'minsk' (ditto)
asciilifeform: we had a curvy, bulbous 1950s unit, that still worked when we left it - '92
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's a recent zil
decimation: mircea_popescu: in the us, I'm pretty sure that the manufacturers (who have an oligopoly) cheapen shit up so that it 'breaks' and requires replacement at a rate they select
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asciilifeform: i have a remote fitted to mine, and occasionally press the wrong button in half-awake trance
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's considered normal for the entire system to break every year or two, typically requiring a specially licensed repairman to come out and replace the freon lines
asciilifeform: the house i live in is a massive roaring bonfire for money
asciilifeform: the blower has a steel heat exchanger inside, which is either heated with gas fires or chilled with freon loop, as the season goes
decimation: w.r.t. home builders, any home that's younger than 30-40 years has been built in a carefully-managed chumpatronic environment
mircea_popescu: bitcoinquestinos http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/ (2.a. of particular interest to you).
asciilifeform: it is typically built as a system of wall ducts/grilles and massive blower in the cellar (in my case, attic)
mircea_popescu: that's another thing. hire a plumber so he tells you what to do ?!
decimation: well, one of the reasons that things are this way is because the 'trades' have a pretty strong chokehold on what gets done
mircea_popescu: leaving alone the weirdness of keeping most of your capital in a nonproductive asset (hey, that's made to be through purely government interventionist means), not even pretend like you're managing it ?
mircea_popescu: decimation but if one's principal equity is the house, a la us, then it makes sense.
kakobrekla: decimation we have a heat pump for radiators and hot water for the house and for air i have a separate inverter unit with one external and two internal units.
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mircea_popescu: decimation yeah heat pumps seem a lot better deal than any alternative, yet the least commonly used.
decimation: kakobrekla: do you have a mini-split system?
decimation: only a few factories manufacturer the equipment, and they usually only sell to 'licensed installers'
decimation: hvac is a particular kind of chumpatron in the usa
asciilifeform takes a very limited interest in exotic hvac tech, as he does not own his buildings, and never will
decimation: which would be somewhat useless in a house already fitted with ducts, granted
asciilifeform: but the fact that heat pump can only extract so much at a given external temp
asciilifeform: decimation: i had it configured to show precisely which mechanism was running at a given time
decimation: I have a friend who swears by the new mitsubishi air source heat pumps
decimation: the problem is that air source heat pumps can only heat down to a certain ambient temperature
asciilifeform: whether a heat pump is good economics or lunacy depends on the region
decimation: also considered purely in energy efficiency terms, a 'heat pump' is most efficient for heating, and can be 'run backwards' for cooling
asciilifeform: there, it happens in an enclosed space, above a drain.
mircea_popescu: six months or a year down the road, we can continue this conversation in a better position.
decimation: part of the other reason 'forced air' heat is common in the us is because air conditioning is considered to be a requirement
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, but then again i never had a power outage. if they happened, ups would work fine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and since it runs maybe five times a day for a quarter of an hour, battery's quite feasible.
mircea_popescu: my house in timisoara, the heating system held about a ton of water in the pipes and radiative elements. took about an hour to cool a coupla degrees.
decimation: otherwise it's a worse solution
mircea_popescu: nah, in europe it's a water pipes and radiators.
mircea_popescu: decimation a yes, turns out it is!
decimation: in the us gas heat is common, but typical large us house has a 'forced air' system that moves heated air around the house
mircea_popescu: decimation i have nfi what that is ? but no, either keep a pilot going, or w/e.
bitcoinquestinos: mircea_popescu: What do you mean? Is this a place where people find the best way to spend their bitcoins so they can hold tighter?
decimation: yeah if you have a gas furnace, and you can run the blower, you can save your house water lines from freezing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but what're they used for: typically stands between user and death from exposure. runs furnace blower/igniter in the cold months; a window ac unit in summer; fridge, a few lights, etc.
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah can't run a/c but you could run fridge
mircea_popescu: bitcoinquestinos irc is a way to talk to people
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> those who don't, typically own a small (5-10kW) genset on wheels << i have no idea what this would do. suppose a 2kw air conditioner unit, or fridge, or even washing machine.
bitcoinquestinos: thanks man, what is this IRC? I read about it in a blog post
decimation: why propane? can be stored for a decade; doesn't leave nasty shit in the engine
decimation: asciilifeform: I have a small 2 kw job that runs on propane, to run essentials 'just in case'
decimation: the military has generators in a 'standard container'