asciilifeform: i see the proceedings of that court as similar to those of all modern courts: a continuation of the basic lie of 'rule of law', where 'it is not the sultan who condemns you to impalement, but the majesty of the law'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: two?

asciilifeform: hm?

asciilifeform: and the 'questionable' is 'surely genuine' when ragged man goes to jail and the canvas finds its way to lord rothchild.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-03-2015#1044114 - ergo, 'this vermeer, in the gallery of our esteemed lord rothchild, is genuine. this picasso, in the suitcase of this ragged thief and scoundrel, is most certainly questionable.' ☝︎

asciilifeform: they don't 'have to', but want to. the conclusion is pre-ordained.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248670 << i still see ~actual authentication~ as being ~incidental~ to these proceedings. as in j.e.hoover's famous quip 'justice is incidental to law and order' ☝︎

asciilifeform: this was prior.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: but as own legit procedure, invented later

asciilifeform: yes, but not done as graphology

asciilifeform: proceeding from a mandated assumption that it was written by human hand

asciilifeform: like that czech short story, author i can't recall, where a 'graphologist' is made to pronounce re: the authenticity of a typewritten page!

asciilifeform: i can't wait till they start doing circus like this for, e.g., a pgp signature

asciilifeform: mod6: neat

asciilifeform: mod6: very much on right track

asciilifeform: mod6: these look superficially correct, but need to be 1) compared mechanically and 2) rebased as i spoke of earlier

asciilifeform: hence it is absolutely begging for chemist's boiler and magnetic stirrer

asciilifeform: and stirred or it bakes onto the pot

asciilifeform: has to be kept at low boil for entire time

asciilifeform: but mentioned because it suffers from same problem

asciilifeform only learned how to make proper 'манная каша' (english, approx, 'cream of wheat') as an adult; and is still tempted to try doing it in a chemist's double boiler with magnetic stir bar

asciilifeform: (in the old days)

asciilifeform knows of this dish only from father, who travelled a good bit in ro

asciilifeform: the porrige? nothing wrong with that

asciilifeform: which?

asciilifeform: folks will go and look for the shitsoup they grew up with, yes.

asciilifeform: ^ same effect, discussed in at least one old thread

asciilifeform: !s american cheese

asciilifeform notice, did not sign it as 'ideal'

asciilifeform: aha. so does prison.

asciilifeform: not because 'we all love'

asciilifeform: ate because it was 'on the menu'

asciilifeform: because it checksums.

asciilifeform: sop lizard service.

asciilifeform: hence why i said 'they annoint under pretence of adjudicating'

asciilifeform: ^ finally a working english.

asciilifeform: 'in savour or hue, no comrades have you'

asciilifeform: ugh

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: for colour or taste, ain't no such thing as friend

asciilifeform: again no.

asciilifeform: no

asciilifeform: ^ approx.

asciilifeform: (how do you englisch that?)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'на вкус и на цвет товарища нет' (tm) (r)

asciilifeform: of all the ones i can recall.

asciilifeform: but least so

asciilifeform: how about botticelli's venus ?

asciilifeform: lizards just keep'em in bottles of argon

asciilifeform: this is because mircea_popescu is still thinking of these items as artwork, to look at

asciilifeform: but the pretence is maintained so rockefeller's stash can be inflationproof. and folks who try to fuck with the pretence, often Have Problems.

asciilifeform: (hence the linked article where chinese fella used vintage paper, ink)

asciilifeform: well-known, i thought.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: except that we have a handful of wealthy and demented folk who turned the whole shebang into a kind of primitive altcoin

asciilifeform: surely

asciilifeform: (and i bet there are 25 films like this)

asciilifeform: pretty sure someone linked to a modern rerun of this concept, earlier.

asciilifeform: nope

asciilifeform: can't say i have

asciilifeform: not twice as happy if he can't buy 2x the turkeys

asciilifeform: i am enthusiastically in favour of elaborate art fraudsters if they can ddos this process.

asciilifeform: (so he can pick it up for $1000 and magick it into $40m)

asciilifeform: rockefeller's vermeer is genuine and fuckyou because he is rockefeller; the one mr schmuck found in his cellar - will be annointed fake (or no one will even bother) unless it suits a rockefeller to bless it.

asciilifeform: but, if understand correctly, there is an alternate hypothesis: the costly and elaborate 'authentification' is not to authenticate, but to annoint

asciilifeform: before you know it, they're boat ballast

asciilifeform: if can doublespend, can run arse-mouth system hose, and now you're using 'blondies' as construction material and can't give'em away fast enough

asciilifeform: double-spend

asciilifeform: nah, it doesn't work if someone can walk into a dark closet and emerge with two indistinguishable costly pet rocks.

asciilifeform: only if they can be provenanced.

asciilifeform: let ten quintillion indistinguishable fakeassos bloom.

asciilifeform: not common enough! if there are still $40mil auctions for'em

asciilifeform: not a caret.

asciilifeform: it is a CARROT

asciilifeform: i was about to say.

asciilifeform: they go well with tea

asciilifeform: add to a collection thereof, i suppose.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not sure what i was thinking there!

asciilifeform: they have to match.

asciilifeform: mod6: see, for example, if you can bitwise-reconstitute REL1.

asciilifeform: mod6: now try applying these in the known order.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: 'if tree-walk wedges on account of your patch, blame yourself'

asciilifeform: but it is a handy means of mechanically computing whom to negrate. ☟︎

asciilifeform: recall, there is no notion of time.

asciilifeform: this is still not a 100% solution, because we have ~no means of ordering patches other than hashes~

asciilifeform: 'no +++ sha512 may ever equal a previously-seen-after-+++ sha512.'

asciilifeform: like this:

asciilifeform: without tortoise-and-hare algo

asciilifeform: it occurs to me that we can check for this mechanically

asciilifeform: cause a board position to be repeated ? nope

asciilifeform: just like rules of chess, incidentally

asciilifeform: if must undo a change, roll it back with an annotation. anything to get a ~novel~ sha512.

asciilifeform: (if sig verifies)

asciilifeform: mod6: no, understand, such a patch being submitted will wedge the machine.

asciilifeform: it would be easily 50x the complexity of the whole shebang put together.

asciilifeform: i ~really~ don't feel like stuffing a 'tortoise and hare algo' cycle-finder in that thing.

asciilifeform: and encourage others to do the same.

asciilifeform: my present understanding is that the only solution to this is that i intend to negrate anyone who EVER does this. ☟︎