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mod6: makes for a larger output binary (by about 10mb) but is more safe incase someone were to do something nasty with a lib that is dynamically linked
thestringpuller: okay i see. been a lot longer than I realize before really looking at C/C++ code. (although this i pretty much all boost which I guess alf pointed out)
mod6: it will build all of the necessary things inside of the output binary, instead of leaving that stuff to call out to a seperate place
mod6: when statically linking via the makefile.unix that's included with v0.5.3, I can't even get mine to compile correctly. So, I'll be spending a lot of time probably re-writing the entire makefile
mod6: ok thats awesome. although, i think what everyone has been running up to now is a dynamically linked version of the output binary. which shouldn't even be availab.e
thestringpuller: i'll wait until it either hits a wall or gets current.
mod6: thanks for testing. if you put together a pastebin of your findings: `./bitcoind getinfo` `openssl version -a`, etc. that would be helpful for our permutation matrix
mod6: well, remember, I've personally gotten past that block probably a dozen times with openssl 0.9.8o with config: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 }
mod6: <+thestringpuller> mod6: ben_vulpes it got past the wedge <+thestringpuller> "blocks" : 164713 << looks to me like you just hit a spot where it was slow, maybe a lot of disconnected blocks. this isn't the "wedge" block we were hitting. tx we had issues with (VerifiySignature) was in block 168,001. It's all in the logs.
trinque: kicked it up to a bigger ec2 instance; not exactly a mindboggling increase in the rate of munching blocks
trinque: mircea_popescu: btcd chewed up a drive on me; that stream of "adding orphan block" was preceded by an input/output error barf
cazalla: danielpbarron: he's never worked for a living in his life <<< maybe he can get a job as a postman because he never fails to deliver
asciilifeform: that the main (if not only) obstacle to holding is a social one << wai, wat?! nobody has to know if you have btc
Adlai: my first 'irl friend' who became a holder has remarked that the main (if not only) obstacle to holding is a social one; so anybody who has been marginalized their entire life (in this case, we were discussing religious minorities, but this equally applies to the 'functionally insane') is automatically more receptive than the mean
mircea_popescu: * Adlai wonders what such a person's shrink would think if first hearing about bitcoin from such a patient << srsly.
danielpbarron: i'm not sure how much of it he sincerely believes, and how much is an attempt to get a rise out of me
asciilifeform: mbers of Americans, both rich and poor, would regard Limonov's behavior as nothing short of despicable: a foreign author living in America on public assistance while also earning cash! It seems reasonable that the rich should feel that way; if the poor can't be made miserable, then what exactly is the point of being rich?'
asciilifeform: in need of some free money but are otherwise perfectly content. Although it is just as possible to be poor and happy in America as anywhere else, here one must make a choice: to avoid any number of unpleasant situations, one must be careful to hide either the fact that one is poor, or the fact that one is happy. If free public money is to be obtained, then only the latter choice remains. It is another curious fact that vast nu
asciilifeform: 'The Russian author Eduard Limonov wrote of his experiences with poverty in America. To his joy, he discovered that he could supplement his cash earnings with public assistance. But he also quickly discovered that he had to keep this joy well hidden when showing up to collect his free money. It is a curious fact that in America public assistance is only made available to the miserable and the downtrodden, not to those who are
Adlai wonders what such a person's shrink would think if first hearing about bitcoin from such a patient
danielpbarron: he's never worked for a living in his life
asciilifeform: and did i miss some political wank or other? did they have a public impalement of heretics on the washington monument, and i missed this ?
punkman: ruin_dpbs_life: danielpbarron: you're a dead man i'm going to fucking do whatever it takes to hurt you << lolwut
Adlai: think of the sarcasm as a barrier of entry against butthurtion
Adlai: world use of the version that doesn't require a change before we talk about making changes - my 2¢
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Adlai: (granted, it's a lot more work than just asking people to trust you)
benjamindees: I've seen a couple of people say similar things. It seemed natural that if you are for a 1MB limit, you would be for sidechains as an avenue for growth or at least to keep the alts at bay.
Adlai: again, federated sidechains - great idea. you want a ledger with centralized control but accessible to the public, that manipulates btc denominated assets? this is how.
Adlai thinks that federated sidechains are a great idea and cointip, bitbase, changepay, whatever they're called - should be using those, if they want transparency
Adlai: benjamindees: wait, let's back up a bit, if not for your then my sake. what's the point of sidechains? i don't think it's "paying for bitcoin mining"
mircea_popescu: so your avenue to pay for your starbucks is a) give them some of your money ; b) borrow some money to give them or c) buy another soda ?
mircea_popescu: all screws are better than thumbtacks for the man holding a hammer.
mircea_popescu: it's a bunch of fiat derps refusing to submit.
mircea_popescu: Yet another one of them is that consumers revolt, entrepreneurs intervene, before the end of 2015 there's about a thousand to a million different Bitcoin forks, each with its ten million-ish monetary base worth about a dollar, on global average. The size of the inter-Bitcoins market, the complexity and confusion ensuing makes pretty much everything unmanageable for the "ordinary person".
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assbot: Logged on 09-02-2015 00:37:52; mircea_popescu: looky here : growing larger implies growing costs. this is a given. a larger bitcoin will somehow be paid for.
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xanthyos: i am only in bitcoin as a hobbyist poker player, i love obama
benjamindees: I'm asking more from a philosophical perspective.
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Adlai: yours would be a Miss Understanding.
mircea_popescu: o there's that too. well... it's a fair cop...
Adlai: dunno officer, "you're a dead man" seemed quite clear to me
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ruin_dpbs_life Guilford, Connecticut << it's probably a decent idea to not go throwing around threats off your home ip.
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ruin_dpbs_life: danielpbarron: you're a dead man i'm going to fucking do whatever it takes to hurt you
mircea_popescu: but in other news, https://flpics2.a.ssl.fastly.net/2066/2066340/00050dbb-17e7-9554-ef52-cc5731d655ac_720.jpg
Adlai: mircea_popescu: i'll take that as a "haven't heard/cared about it", which is still a datapoint
Adlai: the actual paper, if anybody is interested in more than a slideshow, is http://view.samurajdata.se/psview.php?id=271992c2&page=1
Adlai: sure, but "frequent batch auction" has been published about a few times
mircea_popescu: think "occupywallstreet" or "feminism" or w/e. "the luxor center for businessmen". these collections don't actually do anything, it's not unlike a coral discussing which way to undulate for saving the whales.
mircea_popescu: more like, "saving the environment" is just as silly as any one thing a bunch of useless, stupid and ignorant entities that only exist because nobody ground uncle sam into the ground yet could ever do.
Adlai: i'm not convinced that "nature" as a whole can be considered an "econ"
Adlai: dunno, nature can still matter, even if individual snowflakes in an avalanche or looters in a mob, could be removed without significantly affecting the whole. i choose the mob analogy purposefully, because these effects are rarely (ever?) constructive... construction seems to take either "superhuman" capacity (and effort), or enough time for differential reproductive fitness to do its thing
Adlai: i guess we just have different definitions of the word "human". mine is preceded with a huge "only".
mircea_popescu: a whiteknight is not a person. it's a manifestation of particular pathologies empowered by particular economic imbalances.
mircea_popescu: the difference is that they enforce this through statal redistribution, which lives out of a hole in public choice theory,
mircea_popescu: is there a rational incentive to continue adding man-hours to women's studies ?
Adlai: still, i'm not sure that there's a rational incentive to add energy to mining activity once X% of the planet's energy expenditure is dedicated to mining
Adlai: signing transactions takes a bit of energy, and without fees from signed transactions, there's no point to mining
mircea_popescu: "energy efficiency" is not a bitcoin consideration. all energy used for non-bitcoin stuff is wasted by definition, in the bitcoin paradigm.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to express bitcoin in fiat terms. it's not "a clock", because the meaning of "a clock" does not carry in bitcoin. yes it divides time, but differently in fundamental ways.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Really, just dropping a plaintext email address in IRC for spamzors to pick up?
asciilifeform: the only thing it can do is add delay - and, potentially, diddle (you connect, thinking it was a node, but really this)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pseudonode << mega-lol! >> 'Otherwise, if PseudoNode can connect to at least some good nodes (default 2), then will PseudoNode will acts just like a normal node and contributes network bandwidth.' << 'contributes bandwidth' !?!?!?
danielpbarron: i hope you guys aren't relying solely on me to achieve those ends; a lot of this is totally new territory for me
danielpbarron: ah, i had a feeling that was the case
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: you can just put a blank flash drive in the top usb port with an empty directory 'revert' and the thing boots up factory default << this is not a feature of the machine, but of the modified 'uboot' installed by the script you used.
BingoBoingo: The point of this project is to provide a full node that has an explicit goal of supporting the needs of SPV app developers, as well as a place to try out more experimental changes in general. Through the course of 2013 I feel that the upstream Bitcoin Core project has become a relatively unpredictable place and I no longer feel sure that we can improve SPV mode or even that they will continue to support it at all. Bitcoin XT will
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mircea_popescu: cazalla: more lulzy shit at http://www.canadianbusiness.com << all these biogas precursors are in for a rude awakening. at some point they'll discover that while I have the power to make something a problem by calling it a problem, they do not (any more).
mircea_popescu: "It seems to be a way to extend and patch thee Bitcoin network without waiting on slow Bitcoin Core improvements."
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mircea_popescu: im gonna have to make another div payment set without a deed registrar aren't i.
danielpbarron: and if it sees such a drive, it won't try to boot from the attached sata drive; so you can then fdisk as needed
danielpbarron: you can just put a blank flash drive in the top usb port with an empty directory 'revert' and the thing boots up factory default
danielpbarron: so uh.. it comes as little suprise to me that my pogo using a solid state drive is significantly faster than the one using a regular laptop hard drive
mircea_popescu: this shit's seriously a lot mopre trouble than it's worth.
danielpbarron: i like amex because they gave me a card without me giving them my slave id number, although i suspect they just looked it up from some database
BingoBoingo: Netted a small profit on the RON, and a loss on ATC when the alternative revealed it self to be potentially unbounded costs to keep the thing alive through mining
Adlai: but meanwhile btc/fiat's volume makes a great sandbox
Adlai: my long-term (years/decades) plan for scalpl, assuming i don't lose interest by then, is commodities, since i'm hoping by that point "forex" becomes a quaint anachronism
Adlai: right, that's why it's showing up as an unrealized loss, rather than a realized gain
BingoBoingo: Adlai: When I was enlisted it was 10% of profit from the first year and negotiable beyond that after having lived a year. Market I traded lost its trade worthiness sooner than the one year though.
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 17:57:05; mircea_popescu: nah, first timers get a few % of the profit, and at the end of a whole year.
Adlai: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-02-2015#1011801 << how much is "a few", and how open are you to considering more frequent compensation? ☝︎
cazalla: so the telco here has a campaign where they will publish your texts on their billboard above one of their stores.. http://i.imgur.com/yW8gIft.jpg
cazalla: http://rt.com/usa/232219-chelsea-manning-hormone-therapy/ what a bunch of fags And from 2001 to 2011, there were 3,177 veterans diagnosed with gender identity disorder according to the Veterans Affairs Department, while overall it is estimated than one in 11,000 male babies and one in 30,000 female babies are born with the disorder, according to the Veterans Health Administration.
cazalla: mation could be revealed to law-enforcement agencies only when a request for access is legally approved.
cazalla: This, however, is very much the result of choices in the design of the system: anyone may create a bitcoin address at a whim, as long as it is unique. But the Bitcoin Foundation—the organization that has authority over the bitcoin protocol—could change that. Before creating a new address, users could be forced to authenticate with a trusted organization. This organization would securely store information about identities, and this infor
asciilifeform: (and yes, 'crypto ag' - nsa shill - sold diddled cipher machines for half a century and (!) counting. not counting shams-by-design here, only surreptitiously-modified products)
asciilifeform: a 'f-student' who cribs what he sees as 'good idea' becomes immediately obsessed with it
asciilifeform: if there is evidence of usg crafting functioning but diddled parts for a mass-produced machine, slipping'em in, etc. prior to this cribbing, i for one do not know of it
asciilifeform: the typewriter case is interesting, from a history of usg point of view, because it appears to be the turning point for nsa
asciilifeform: likewise mentioned is the fact that the bug was deliberately set to overlap with freq. of a local tv station.
mircea_popescu: (in romanian it means, literally, the dough part of a pizza or a cake)
mircea_popescu: it's a quite respectable romanian word.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: isn't it odd that engl. doesn't (afaik) have a word for блат - that other capital that u.s. economy actually runs on today, as discussed above
mircea_popescu: https://flpics0.a.ssl.fastly.net/1728/1728220/00050ef8-c44d-8b6c-90b3-6472a2bbc7d8_720.jpg << now this is some hardcore lightsabering.