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mircea_popescu: there's also the what to discard, what not to have in there at all (yes there's such a thing as xray mirror, also some plastics are no good, and so on).

mircea_popescu: do me a favour and read "x ray hygiene" as a thing, it's not a one liner.

asciilifeform has a sort of outhouse, for such work

a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 00:35 asciilifeform: incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray..

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880867 << dude just how junkwars are you gonna get lmao. there's a special die, similar in principle, but diff materials, wtf. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 22:53 asciilifeform: ( and really dun need dram at all, the drams on the daughterboard are all connected through period auto-refresher ic that presents as a sram )

mircea_popescu: because "people" aren't a thing, it's a catchall phrase including anything and everything, and mostly nothing by mass.

mircea_popescu: what's not being discussed is the problem of space debris. but yes, unsurprisingly enough and predictably enough the end result of "people can now go to space" was "earth now looks like a ball of burata looks once the mold can '''go to space'''. ie, surrounded by a skirting of debris," ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( ben_vulpes : can haz logging back in #a plz ? )

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in phuctor q&a, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1zcrs/?raw=true

asciilifeform: a

asciilifeform: could've sworn there was sumthing re a schism

danielpbarron: huh? i am part of "a true church" -- idk where you got the idea i left

asciilifeform: incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray.. ☟︎

asciilifeform: a sort of anal feeding, if you will.

asciilifeform: plus i'ma need ivorytron with direct probes on the cpu lines, and there aint any room for such a thing in the orig

phf: so you want to make a replica that plugs into same hardware? i thought you'd want to do a fake mac harnes first?

asciilifeform: ( and really dun need dram at all, the drams on the daughterboard are all connected through period auto-refresher ic that presents as a sram ) ☟︎

phf: i still remember one of the cobol guys pulling out random bits from it on day one and going "i can just pull a bunch of things and it keeps working"

phf: asciilifeform: i worked on tandem for a bit (known by then as HP NonStop), i appreciated the architecture, but entire software stack was cobol

asciilifeform: the win, when there is a win, is that you can make the jesusbolt 'stateless', i.e. if particle whacks it, it resets and retries the last cycle rather than going into metastable strange

asciilifeform: ( i.e. box had multiple cpu that had to majority-agree re outcome of a cycle )

asciilifeform: even the old ibm irons have a few things to teach pc re redundant/votingcircuit scheme.

a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 01:57 mircea_popescu: tbh, a recuperative scholarly series on sns would be most apt use of scholar's time.

mircea_popescu: tbh, a recuperative scholarly series on sns would be most apt use of scholar's time. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( can laff if you like, at the d00d, but he ~does~ apparently have a blog. and it's even 1 that aint in 'lamp stack' , and i envy the pg load latencies.. )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman: re queues filling : per my reading of http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#selection-673.0-673.234 , well-behaved clients cannot cause queue to overfill, as it's a synchronous back/forth. so overfilled queue indicates somebody for the chopping block.

mircea_popescu: "I'm not even sure whether a sender/receiver should be in fact part of smg_comms" << while this has merit, i'd still keep them in.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from my reading, diana_coman will have same proggy on 2 boxen, but routine-a runs on box a, and routine-b on b

diana_coman: "as asciilifeform describes" aka 1 item put/get at a time; 2 different queues, one for rsa one for s

mircea_popescu: if it gets, and it gets a rsa item ?

mircea_popescu: well, serpent processor wants a serpent item to process.

diana_coman: my implementation is just a bounded queue fifo, 1 item at a time in /out; and yes, I looked again at Ada's standard stuff and I could use I think a bounded_synchronized_queue container but then it forces me to put/get full structure

asciilifeform: that aint called a queue, normally

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a 'queue' in the usual sense doesn't have a 'pick an X', it has 'pick from top'

mircea_popescu: hm. i suppose this is okay, really. scalable enough, if eventually we decide to get a s and a r machine, they'll just have their own queues and that's it.

asciilifeform: ( ffa is not threaded per se, but is thread-safe, dun allocate anyffing other than on stack, i.e. can be used inside a thread safely )

mircea_popescu: i guess this is a spot you;ll have to proceed on faith,

mircea_popescu: and this is a fundamental assumption baked into the udp spec etc.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman that's a very overloaded sense.

diana_coman: I mean don't keep trying to send on a closed socket sort of thing

asciilifeform: it eats a packet and then tries to send , afaik the os will not report a eggog on send() unless there in fact are no working nics

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there ain't a 'connection' in udpology

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, works, it's a clear decision at least

asciilifeform: so imho a++

mircea_popescu: diana_coman so then : a) thin wrappers mosrtly to rescue the queue from ip stack into ram ; b) threaded workers later, which may include but will likely not be limited to, specialist decipherers.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: can send, but then he's a spammer, not client, and gets kicked

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in re 'synchronous', it is my understanding that client is not permitted to send a packet unless the n-1'st has been ack'd

diana_coman: 3. I think that's to be a dynamic thing basically aka at a higher level server looks and if it needs to, it creates more workers to process those messages accumulating there

diana_coman: receiver just grabs from udp lib and drops into a queue

mircea_popescu: diana_coman does it then make sense to have a process that has a socket open and handles the serpent queue, and one proces with a different socket open handling the rsa queue (with a view that these :6666 and :6667 ports then get moved to separate machines if need be) ?

asciilifeform: you dun need a socket per client in udpism

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman : you have 1 thread, that monopolizes socket, and fetches from a semaphoric queue ( diana_coman posted such a queue today ). other threads can put whatever on queue, and sender sends.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman thinking of it : the ~server~ very likely wants a lot of sockets ; strictly because talking to multiple clients at same time.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose you're on a multi-core cpu, suppose the socket's not filled but the sender is.

diana_coman: asciilifeform, lol, no, the point there is the sender/receiver layer of a eulora app essentially

mircea_popescu: even go the distance of keeping a task manager to keep spawning them, and giving them sockets ?

mircea_popescu: there's two evident ways to go about this : either have these together in a single chunk that owns a socket ; or else have them independent, in which case what, they share a socket ? they each get a socket ?

mircea_popescu: so, i hear from cto the comms spec's mostly implemented. now, we're at the point where we wanna make a rsa and a serpent sender.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile, let's hijack this a little for some s.mg discussion.

asciilifeform: so folx can 'you wouldn't download a car!111' 'fuck you, would if i could' (tm)

mircea_popescu: i have a lingering suspicion we'd like x86 stack a lot better if memory had stayed the size it was WHEN THE DAMNED THING WAS DESIGNED

asciilifeform: while on subj, from the extant photo i already can see that ~90% of the board surface is sram/dram, each of which respectively would fit on a '90s-era 5v 1chip

asciilifeform: really a 'sapper errs once' sorta job, if i zap so much as 1 GAL i'ma need whole new orchestra again.

asciilifeform: phf may find interesting , that this 'macivory' happens to be the one with no weitek. which normally would be a sad, but in my case is gold, from my pov the weitek is just extra crud to emulate

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not a bad idea, at that.

asciilifeform: a coupla of them are of the kind that have flipflops ( so not susceptible to pure combinatorial brute )

asciilifeform: it's a board of same type as FG ( but 100% through-hole )

asciilifeform: so it'll be a straight subtraction ( of the visible bottom tracks ) .

mircea_popescu: diana_coman as in "the only possible statement of mp's ultimate optimism will be centered around a refusal to believe such, for lack of any other available centers."

asciilifeform: juliankunkel: as a maths fella, you may also find 'ffa' ( asciilifeform's current item, http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=49 ) interesting, world's only sidechannelism-proof crypto lib, ~80% done

juliankunkel: asciilifeform: thx, I will have a look; I'm looking a bit round here.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma try an' bribe a dentist to take those xray pics, seems like cheapest pill.

deedbot: diana_coman rated juliankunkel 2 at 2018/12/13 17:48:15 << CS Lecturer at Reading Uni, invited me to give a Bitcoin talk.

trinque: diana_coman: wallet's a different service that connects to the other bot for IRC. I'll take a look when I get a moment. I wager the internet connection between the two went down.

diana_coman: hm, now it answers !!ledger though so I guess it was a hiccup at that time

BingoBoingo: Maybe the kid just needs a (((packing))) peanut internship with avik?

mircea_popescu: a point not lost on the very soviet state in question.

mircea_popescu: there's a good match between the [biology-driven] formalist approach of children, "act like adult become adult" and the purely formalist approach to the world of the superificial mental systems typical of naggum's "the meaningless lives of those who do not wish to have any meaning to their lives".

mircea_popescu: the guy immortalized in 1984, "turned in uncle" etc... that's now a work of fiction. by then, had 2-3 decade history behind.

asciilifeform: !Q later tell ben_vulpes canhaz logbot again in #a plox ? ty

mircea_popescu: so in the end the understanding is these bright young minds aspiring to a "computer security career" are the period politruks, looking to help construct a social narrative consensus by policing [the relevant forms of] speech ?

diana_coman: eh, he prolly found therefore a vulnerability in deedbot too!! look, he can still speak even if no voice

diana_coman: quite; tbh it merges into a sort of "code political correctness" model to me: basically the effect does not matter, but if you use the "wrong" and unapproved formulation then it's BAD; and it should be reported; and it matters!

phf: you don't understand it's a level 3 bounty, it's supposed to net him 3042 hckr.io points, and a payout of $27

mircea_popescu: (conversely : there was a slavegirl in toledo, ohio none of you lazy bums got to in time.)

BingoBoingo: An a rare non-performance after advance deposit case made the paper https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/pagaron-150-000-por-una-fiesta-de-15-pero-el-dia-previo-no-habia-salon-ni-la-confiteria-2018121119208

BingoBoingo: And the local response to alt-Leprosy in Salto has been a dog purge https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/unos-600-perros-fueron-sacrificados-por-tener-leishmaniasis-2018121210112

BingoBoingo: Or 5-eyes and a mouth (Phillipines)

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So is Canada, NZ, UK, etc. Everyone of the five eyes is a test bed for the others

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's a test bed for the rest of reich

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Puede Ser, I haven't given much though to Australia's Kangaroo Courts as a legal system to get involved in

asciilifeform: au is a kinda beta test lab for cutting-edge nato reich retardations

mircea_popescu: they had a secret session of #australia and everything ? lmao.

BingoBoingo: ^ A Lesser Podesta Convicted

mircea_popescu: so... "if you don't want to rue the day you were born, better make sure i'm not out looking for a job ever. i hate that shit."

mircea_popescu: i make it a rule to never be the most frustrated/annoyed/etc one in the room.

Mocky: for bonus points, train a black chix to be specialist job applier

Mocky: i'm past most of my frustration with it now, noticing their weaknesses. if you can code A* on a white board in 10 minutes with no errors while talking intelligently about their beloved frameworks, then not hiring you would be a struggle

BingoBoingo: ^ Any awk ninjas want to try this on a few forums? ☟︎☟︎