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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That part is ~90% plant genetics, and there isn't a Monsanto sorta monopoly on that. Largely for reasons of the folks doing seed development having been more or less effective dissidents. I suspect much of the percieved selectivity of the consumers is applied marketing.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 05:08:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935325 << well, chiefly because not precious. whole thing's artificial scarcity, on its own weed's cheaper than grain per pound..
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935352 << afaik this is so, but the aficionados are picky re particular breeds w/ particular proportions of the oils . ( possibly BingoBoingo knows moar )
asciilifeform: lobbes: when you have the correct (i.e. both ends) vpatch for this, i'ma test & stand up on my end asap, so 'log-raw' sync worx properly.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-02-02 11:23:06 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:37:30 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: that's the minigame.bz -> minigame.biz thing
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell bvt http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=f8IH
asciilifeform: and then there's the 'stealth' binturds . e.g. linux kernel superficially seems to be 100% text, but in fact there's coupla 100MB of init-turds as hex .h includes , and so on.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: just about ~all since 2010 or so, per asciilifeform's notes. ( invariably there's a pdf turd passed off as documentation, or jpegs for guism, or in device drivers -- magick init binturds ; etc )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: myeah, not new; just finally realising that it's ~all, not "some" (as naive mind might think when encountering bins in sources for 1st, 2nd , 10th time)
asciilifeform: not even any kind of new plague. mircea_popescu recall how we had to cut a buncha gifs etc outta pre-trb to bake the genesis.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: heathen sores tars do tend to contain astonishing volumes of binliquishit. ( or were you thinking of the thompsonistic trap where 'need gnat to build gnat' etc. , rather ? )
diana_coman: nice, spyked ; by now it seems to me that the "source code only" is ~always + binaries, when one actually looks at it.
spyked: and in other news: Hunchentoot tree updated with a sbcl distribution. ty diana_coman and bvt for the help!
spyked: also added a few concurrency optimizations to the bot, they should arrive in the v tree with the next vpatch.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 13:25:57 mircea_popescu: spyked, wow look at that. okay, so btcalpha, anco.is, esthlos.com can all come off.
spyked: aaaand this should be all of feedbot's part/join spam for today, ty for bearing with it! also, removed http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933696 from #t's announce list (left a few of them in #s though)
spyked: achtung: I'm doing some maintenance/cleanup work on feedbot as a prelude to upcoming vpatch(es). the bot might go down a coupla times in the meanwhile, but shouldn't lose any feeds
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 20:13:44 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935178 << you are among the very few who pronounce it correctly then! Most assume it is Spanish and pronounce the end bit like the end of "Rodriguez" (actually, it was a good way to screen for telemarketers back when I answered unknown phone numbers)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 04:55:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935288 << in which we find she'd make a great telemarketer :D
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 00:55:23 BingoBoingo: The whole "governments balancing their budgets on weed tax revenue" seems a lot like the F-35 steath dilema. As soon as the users can smoke openly there's not much other than their own sloth to keep them from producing. Then supply glut, prices go to the basement, and the gangs find another drug to traffic.
mircea_popescu: none of it would be expensive anywhere else, but the tards are always speshul. and besides --- they want to believe.
mircea_popescu: whole thing actually matches very well with empire's last days : whole thing is manufactured scarcity, "buy some expensive woodpulp home to smoke some expensive weed in" sounds EXACTLY like the end days blueprint/.
mircea_popescu: and you eat multiple pounds of bread a day, to stay poor. pot's enough even by the oz.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 00:26:35 asciilifeform: gone are the days when aficionados would stuff towels under doors to conserve the precious smoak
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935325 << well, chiefly because not precious. whole thing's artificial scarcity, on its own weed's cheaper than grain per pound..
mircea_popescu: shamanic tradition and all that, yes ? what, you think euro ousia-driven inquiries are "fundamental human heritage" ? they're fucking euro.
mircea_popescu: it's the african racial ability, comes with the territory.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 00:11:09 BingoBoingo: Never mind that by volume peat moss and perlite which make a superior potting mix together are cheaper than the dubiously branded and mostly uncomposted wood fiber labeled as "Kellog's garden soil"
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935322 << dude... they're ~AFRICAN~. they don't understand what the fuck things ~are~, they can barely summon the mental energy to keep track of what things are called.
mircea_popescu: if it's good for whiteboi cocksuckers, why shouldn't it apply to ebony minotaurity!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:56:48 BingoBoingo: Well, at the Home Depot there was plenty of opportunity to meet minority entrepreneurs getting in early and without bothering about getting right with fiat.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935319 << hey, it's what the homo circle's been telling pretty white boys to do. circumcised or not, the dea was "first start business, then figure out legality after you get """financed""".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:56:48 BingoBoingo: Well, at the Home Depot there was plenty of opportunity to meet minority entrepreneurs getting in early and without bothering about getting right with fiat.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935319 << hey, it's what the homo circle's
mircea_popescu: from margaret to may, fifty years.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:39:03 BingoBoingo: lobbes: They did, it isn't implemented yet, and it's already looking like a scammy ball of lulz.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935314 << contemporary british legal traditions.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:37:30 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 << certainly not the latter.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 20:13:44 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935178 << you are among the very few who pronounce it correctly then! Most assume it is Spanish and pronounce the end bit like the end of "Rodriguez" (actually, it was a good way to screen for telemarketers back when I answered unknown phone numbers)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935288 << in which we find she'd make a great telemarketer :D
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 16:01:10 diana_coman: but it seems it took "diana_coman;is" as nick?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:53:06 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 - your znc2tmsr converter; I made initially the same mistake with mine, here's the thread re standard: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927457
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 20:14:25 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935281 << bvt, would you be able to produce the vpatch? I would, but a) my knowledge of tcp stack / kernels / etc. is pretty much nil and b) I'm gearing up to focus 100% on mircea_popescu's latest mp-wp bot ask if I end up winning this auction.
bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935294 << i'll have a look into this problem. this month i'm a bit tight on time for republican work, and already have work in schedule, so i can't promise any deadline, unfortunately.
BingoBoingo: The whole "governments balancing their budgets on weed tax revenue" seems a lot like the F-35 steath dilema. As soon as the users can smoke openly there's not much other than their own sloth to keep them from producing. Then supply glut, prices go to the basement, and the gangs find another drug to traffic.
asciilifeform has nfi whether the locals buy from Official shop, or grow 'christmas garden' under uv lamp, or which.
BingoBoingo: This'll probably change again once it warms up and the Brasileros come out of their holes.
BingoBoingo: Probably more exhaust gas there than here. Kids smoke in front of the mall. They rarely seem to smoke in most of the parks lest the campers ask for a hit to surely be followed by intensifed requests for "una moneda para comer algo"
asciilifeform: gone are the days when aficionados would stuff towels under doors to conserve the precious smoak
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile afaik the closest Official herb shop here is in bmore; but at the same time the exhaust gas is errywhere, from ~erry window in the evening when walking, even out of cars stopped at lights.
lobbes: lol "just doin' some christmas gardening. family tradition"
BingoBoingo: Never mind that by volume peat moss and perlite which make a superior potting mix together are cheaper than the dubiously branded and mostly uncomposted wood fiber labeled as "Kellog's garden soil"
BingoBoingo: A good tip off is if they fill their truck up repeatedly with "Kellog's garden soil" on Black Friday.
lobbes: ha, I didn't even think of that. Those stores are probably the first stop for many aspiring to that industry huh
BingoBoingo: Well, at the Home Depot there was plenty of opportunity to meet minority entrepreneurs getting in early and without bothering about getting right with fiat.
lobbes: man, the wash-each-other's-laundry-economy indeed
BingoBoingo: It also has some "economic justice" provisions that are supposed to affirmative action some "minority owned" businesses into viability
BingoBoingo: 7 million people and only a couple dozen licenses with official 6 figure USD price tags. No grow at home without a special medical permit. But with FATCA, KYC/AML/OMGWTFBBQ the whole bribery thing in a place that has seen consecutive governors go to jail... Surely it's under control...
BingoBoingo: lobbes: They did, it isn't implemented yet, and it's already looking like a scammy ball of lulz.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: did Illinois also legalize teh pot recently?
lobbes: I'll leave this question for tomorrow night. I can pick it back up then
lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
lobbes: Note how the raw log dump pads the nick on the right with an extra ';' versus the logconverter does not
lobbes: alright, I've solved the "action line weirdness mystery". The following paste displays two action lines from different sources: one from the output of the znc2tsmr logconverter, and one from the output of the "raw log" dump: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=k0qz
BingoBoingo: lol, I expect to see more of these sorts of stories. Especially out of Illinois in the future.
lobbes: I recently had to eat #t lines where index > 1933778 in order to sync, and sure enough here's query where > 1933778 vs < 1933778
lobbes: problem most likely in either teh eat_dump.py or the 'raw logs' output.
lobbes: mmkay. Confirmed: not reader.py nor bot.py at fault. Observe this new line from test chan ate and shat perfectly: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema-lobbes/2019-09-10#1000006
lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935134 << interesting. Looks like it is incorrect in the database itself. So something is either happening on bot snarf side, or on import of dumps side. In any case, bot will be offline for a second while I bring it up in a test channel
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:43:49 trinque: heh, this place needs a cartoonist so bad
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 17:22:25 asciilifeform: i still dun grasp why os's tcp stack doesn't liquidate a socket known to be stone dead. but this i suppose is a q for the original perpetrators , when they're connected to 220v
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935283 << lmao. Another great addition to the queue imo
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 17:05:07 bvt: asciilifeform: i think closing would necessary (not done right now, as i can see); re proggy - nothing complicated http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4XUj (merged two for convenience, so fd num will be different)
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935281 << bvt, would you be able to produce the vpatch? I would, but a) my knowledge of tcp stack / kernels / etc. is pretty much nil and b) I'm gearing up to focus 100% on mircea_popescu's latest mp-wp bot ask if I end up winning this auction.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:29:03 asciilifeform: ( the 1 in lobbes's latest vpatch is proper )
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935183 << this gives me some piece of mind, at least. Gonna do some digging tonight after f00d intake. Odd mystery
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-09 07:14:41 diana_coman: lobbes: kept meaning to ask - how do you pronounce your surname?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:01:15 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935114 << the "bene" is exactly how you'd think. The "vides" is actually "veedees". I usually tell people it 'rhymes with "diabetes"'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 11:03:33 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935170 - heh, so my reading of it was actually right (latin-based since I couldn't think of any valid English-based reading of it).
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935178 << you are among the very few who pronounce it correctly then! Most assume it is Spanish and pronounce the end bit like the end of "Rodriguez" (actually, it was a good way to screen for telemarketers back when I answered unknown phone numbers)
lobbes: err, meant to prepend above line with a " mircea_popescu: "
mircea_popescu: prolly because they don't know how to do that without creating a race condition with the time-outs involved in knowing it's stone dead.
asciilifeform: i still dun grasp why os's tcp stack doesn't liquidate a socket known to be stone dead. but this i suppose is a q for the original perpetrators , when they're connected to 220v
bvt: asciilifeform: i think closing would necessary (not done right now, as i can see); re proggy - nothing complicated http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4XUj (merged two for convenience, so fd num will be different)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if the tcp stack per se is retarded in this way, i expect it is also in cobol , fortran, etc, how not.
asciilifeform: what was the 'logic' inside the 'heads' that thought this to be permissible ?
asciilifeform: also wtf, 'double connect on same socket', why the everliving fuck is this even a thing.
asciilifeform: as i currently understand, if one were to 1) SO_REUSEADDR + 2) force it closed before attempting any connect -- oughta cure
asciilifeform: bvt: how didja generate the item seen in the paste ?
asciilifeform: bvt: i still do not know whether socket 'was not closed, but wedged' somehow (in which case proggy oughta be made such as to find out, and close asap) or in fact closed but on acct of the idjit zombie-by-default thing, not reusable
bvt: asciilifeform: re SO_REUSEADDR - i don't see how it is applicable: as i understand errno 106=EISCONN the kernel believes that the socket is still connected (perhaps socket.timeout case in send()?); so if you proceed to connect without closing it, you'd get double connect on the same socket; and SO_REUSEADDR does not protect against this: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Zd3l
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for one thing it depends *whose* exam; for the other, the focus wasn't on "exam", no (doubt anyone would even "tune in" for... exam,lol); but anyway: another dose doesn't hurt, no.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: admittedly asciilifeform is not any kind of star pedagogue. but from own schooling, i found much moar memorable the lessons where 'and this is btw is also the tamper equation in hbomb!' than 'you Need To ... for exam!'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i actually dun know when/how precisely the fella tuned in. but will hazard a guess that it was because he had spark of 'hmm, these folx have working gears'. so i suspect best result with him might be to pour some kerosene on that fire. 'motivation from interest' is 9000x bigger fire than 'motivation from needs-to'.
diana_coman: eh, he needs to start chewing, not like there isn't *what*; but yes, I see what you mean.