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ben_vulpes: eh i don't see how "stop bitching about problems you can trivially solve without involving the state eg rent control, try moving to a neighborhood as shitty as this one was two decades ago when you crept in" is quite "slice lengthwise"
asciilifeform: which is a-ok thing to say. but why not cut straight, 'to the chase.'
asciilifeform: and then it means 'slice lengthwise, untermensch!!'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673487 << i find it lulzy that folx will happily say this to someone to whom they would ~not~ necessarily say 'kill yerself nao, slice lengthwise' . but at the same time the phrases have EQUIVALENT meaning, because at some point you are already as rich as you possibly know how to become. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
erlehmann: prepare to get fleeced
Framedragger: yeah i guess that's basically 50% of berlin (*dodge*)
erlehmann: on the other side of the street the drink will cost half as much, but what do you know, tourist! ☟︎
erlehmann: and they'll smile and take all your money
erlehmann: ah no, that will work
erlehmann: a suitcase on wheels marks a person like a shitstain on their pants
erlehmann: if, on the other hand, you are looking to experience tourist hate, take an airbnb in mitte, in the vincinity of st. oberholz. take a wheelie case and new apple devices with you.
erlehmann: as i said: as a tourist, i probably would not choose airbnb in berlin. reason is that the strategy is working. less stressful to book hotel room or hostel.
Framedragger: plenty of folks quite content living their frugal lives (in e.g. leipzig, from what i hear, to be particular), i guess #t doesn't think much of them, i happen to have friends, what do. if bitch at 5% rent increase, sure, not much sympathy from me
ben_vulpes: "but i'm poor and nobody taught me that rents usually go up and now my living expenses and rent max out my income!"
ben_vulpes: same people who are flabbergasted when rents go up 5%, having never considered allocating for that scenario.
erlehmann: i think it is not about rent per se. it is about long-term renting.
trinque: no. I mean if they were free of the terribru rent oppression what human flourishing would sprout in their place?
Framedragger: you mean, what's their recourse / what leverage they have? yes, not much leverage at all, sucks to be them
trinque: because otherwise they'd what?
Framedragger: gotta agree with you, #t will disdainfully sneer at "omg, kom000nity!!", but it does suck that local communities get negatively impacted in this regard ☟︎
ben_vulpes: if the "community" can't soak people who want to come there and spend money adequately to make tourism +ev for the hosts incl. cities, how can they even justify continuing to live ☟︎
erlehmann: and are on the average much bigger assholes than people living there.
erlehmann: more generally, communities. tourists use infrastructure, but do not always pay taxes.
ben_vulpes: who gives a flying fuck about "pushing up rents" because some people rent in ways not appealing to the local statal orgs
erlehmann: took me some time to understand that.
erlehmann: it is most likely a tactical action to make you go away.
erlehmann: example: burning cars. if your car is insured and it burns, that is not vandalism. ☟︎
erlehmann: it is just that berliners have a very good understanding of how to make people fuck off
Framedragger notes "join erlehmann's local anarcho cell when ready" to list
erlehmann: basically, if you want to go cheap: go to a hostel, rent a room for 4 or 6.
jurov: O.o my first two airbnb experiences were fine, but that was in greece, they don't mind noise ☟︎
erlehmann: i could not possibly comment on that
Framedragger: any personal experiences there? i've heard of "frozen piss" bomb concept, yeah ☟︎
erlehmann: also, did you know that frozen piss can be shoved under a door and seep into the carpet?
Framedragger: basically, if we were to stay for a longer chunk of time, different arrangements would be made. very-short-term... hm, hotels are boring
erlehmann: by passion, i mean: some door locks are faulty and seem to spontaneously fail in the middle of the night, when you come back to the ap. ☟︎
Framedragger: (or well, maybe i'm misusing the term) ☟︎
erlehmann: b) many airbnb guests behave in such an obnoxious way that entirely unpolitical people living in the same house hate them with a passion. ☟︎
erlehmann: furthermore, two observations, one on a systemic, one on an individual level: a) airbnb drives up rents, because it is much more profitable to (illegally) rent on airbnb than to (legally) rent to someone long-term. transients always spend more money then residents.
Framedragger: (there may indeed be no harm, tho)
Framedragger: fair point, thanks
erlehmann: re scammy: read reviews and think if an airbnb host with that name really exists. it may or may not do you any harm if “sarah” never shows up and is in fact a front for some rent-seeking dude.
Framedragger: erlehmann: girl says "wtf, plz to elaborate" :D is that due to high degree of scams, or just the high possibility of misunderstandings? (only time i used airbnb was in morocco, but that was planned well in advance, and kinda-vetted place)
erlehmann: i have a single, very important berlin tourism tip. avoid airbnb (and similar things) to the strongest extent possible. there are only a few faster ways to make enemies, like putting on a police uniform and visiting rigaer straße alone in the middle of the night.
Framedragger is also curious if isis from tor is still in berlin, too
Framedragger: erlehmann: i've been to c-base a coupla times, curious if there are any hackerspaces which are less about showing off and more about actual DIY projects etc (not sure if can meaningfully interact in the span of only a week tho, i guess) ☟︎
Framedragger: funny thing is i'm not really into raves. at the same time i have a pile of high quality mdma that i now need to dispose of, because changing country. so who knows ☟︎
Framedragger: erlehmann: airbnb apartment, 3-4 people, possibly neukoln or thereabouts, not sure yet
Framedragger: good point, i'll get back to you later. it's not a well-defined request/problem in my mind. "shit to do at night in kreuzberg / east berlin" would count, including rave parties (sounds teenage-ish when i put it like that heh)
erlehmann: Framedragger where will you stay? type of venue / part of city?
trinque: but then you're on teh way to an ebuild anyway.
danielpbarron: and the way i'm writing it up, it's also a crash course on how to gentoo in general
trinque: btw this could be turned into a portage "set"
ben_vulpes: recipe for portage to make $package happen to a gentoo
danielpbarron: a portage package? no. it's more of a recipe from scratch: how to install gentoo for optimal eulora
danielpbarron: what does that mean?
Framedragger: erlehmann: question #3 -- any recommendations for what to do in berlin in july? i'll be there with a few friends from 5 july (may travel to leipzig), random recommendations welcome (we'll visit the nsa tower/hill, etc)
danielpbarron unofficially works on eulora. occasionally publishes patches to the client. almost ready to publish a eulora-gentoo recipe ☟︎
Framedragger: oh lua, cool, is that how you write those subgames?
Framedragger: i see map generators, but that's something else, i assume the subgame thing is the way towards the "generalized"/"arbitrary"
Framedragger: erlehmann: i like my voxels, looks nice... generalized CA, as in, you can run arbitrary programs in the space (or somesuch)?
mod6: i misspell a lot of things too. so there' that.
erlehmann: mod6 sorry then i assumed the latter (even though the keys are right next to each other)
mod6: <+erlehmann> mod6 did you mean "word" or "weird"? << the former.
erlehmann: no further questions then
erlehmann: where do you need them?
erlehmann: it's not? most i3 users have no use for draggable windows. the maemo wm (i forgot its name) also has none.
erlehmann: mod6 mouse-wm means mouse can have two modi. managing windows and managing application.
mod6: if so, do you just use keybindings to navigate?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> if answer to either 1, 2, or both, is 'yes' -- asciilifeform won't use. << wait... i thought you were big on a workstation that you could use... but this doesn't include a mouse?
erlehmann: it seems way less than 100kb of c. but then there are libs.
asciilifeform: erlehmann: i dun need this 'can' for anything.
asciilifeform: ( unix oughta have been strangled in the cradle, not further nurtured )
erlehmann: well, they are optional. they are used because i3 can not only tile windows, but also tab them. and float them, if you *really* want to.
erlehmann: i3: 1. tiling, so probably not until you order it to draw title bars. 2. focus can follow mouse and windows can float, but keyboard-only use is sensible.
asciilifeform: if answer to either 1, 2, or both, is 'yes' -- asciilifeform won't use.
asciilifeform: 2) does it know about mice, and take input from the mouse ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: 1) does it draw ANYTHING on the screen when it is running ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: ever try 'ratpoison' ? << yeah, i still need to try this
asciilifeform: erlehmann: here's an algo for determining what asciilifeform thinks of an x wm :
ben_vulpes: erlehmann: looks like something i'd have to learn in addition to emacs
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: neat recommendation; i'm working with an abortion called 'exwm' for now << ah ok. this is all emacs related eh?
erlehmann: one guy even wrote his own wm, then switched to i3
erlehmann: everyone using tiling window management in my vincinity seems to end up there
ben_vulpes: but yes, .xinitrc does consist of `exec emacs` at the moment
asciilifeform: sounds like you have no possible need for an x wm on this box, then, ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: you just can't resize or move the 1 window
ben_vulpes: 'tis the hope
asciilifeform: just have the 1 emacs frame.
ben_vulpes: claims to, but i don't desire that at this moment
ben_vulpes: exwm puts the x window into an emacs buffer, so can eg C-x b opera
asciilifeform: extends same treatment to nonemacsizable proggies.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is very similar to this
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ever try 'ratpoison' ?
shinohai: Stay tuned to find out why the ETH genesis block funds have moved. Absolute pin-drop silence on that one. ☟︎
sina: evenin tmsr
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
erlehmann: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672500 << infrastructure seems more useful when people using it to show off fuck off ☝︎
shinohai makes every effort to exhaustively research his lulz
Framedragger: lol, i see :D i take my inner skeptic back