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asciilifeform: everyone uses 'half-baked, bug-ridden implementation' of wot. even idiots. the idiot version of wot for email is, roughly, 'reject all messages not coming from u.s. fortune-500 corp domains.'
asciilifeform: or NOTHING GETS THROUGH
asciilifeform: shinohai: i run a mailserver, of approximately the same kind as mircea_popescu, but when i need to communicate with 'civilians' i end up forced to use gmail.
asciilifeform: this is not a win. ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267684 >>>>>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266708 ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267676 << knuth also has no problem with spam. and for approximately the same reason. ☝︎
asciilifeform: see also the jwz thread.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267674 << the way this works is that google silently drops messages not coming from 1) itself 2) 'blessed' usg-megacorp entities ☝︎
asciilifeform: making use of brutes, in whatever capacity, is how we ended up buried in the pile of shit in which we sit.
asciilifeform: programming a computer is not building pyramid, there is no legitimate role for brute muscle.
asciilifeform: no exceptions.
asciilifeform: if your project demands human compilers, your project is retarded.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267652 << do you ever, when driving car, think 'i need to harness more horses to this' ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: (but if you ~really~ like the farm, try 'ed'...)
asciilifeform: which is why there is not the option of living on a farm in the countryside. you ARE in a city, and the choice is between mexico city and tokyo. i'll take tokyo^H^H^H^Hemacs tyvm.
asciilifeform: 'nano' is NOT 'clean'.
asciilifeform: and it doesn't even have user-interaction, like text editor !
asciilifeform: without barfing.
asciilifeform: try and sit down and read that.
asciilifeform: in case anyone forgot, here's gnu diff: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1246256 ☝︎
asciilifeform: items like 'nano' is precisely how the unix crud remained dominant among thinking people for as long as it did. it has a clean coat on the outside, and presents the illusion of hygiene, for so long as you do not care to look inside. in EXACTLY the same way as a coffin hides the decay of a corpse.
asciilifeform: which must be oh-so-clean for their removal, aha.
asciilifeform: http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.2/BUGS << list of selected cockroaches removed from the kitchen.
asciilifeform: if i want a line feed, i will PRESS THE FUCKING HUGE KEY ON MY KBD WITH THE ARROW ON IT
asciilifeform: and ftr i fucking HATE nano. it SHITS SPURIOUS LINEFEEDS into pasted text !!
asciilifeform: btw, 'nano' is titanically bloated - see, http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.2/faq.html#3.6
asciilifeform: count libc !!!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267625 << WTF why not counting libc !!!! ☝︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267570 << this kind of 'macro' has precisely as much to do with lisp macros as microshit excel macros do. which is to say, NOTHING AT ALL. they are as closely related as cat is to chair - both have four legs, that's it ☝︎
asciilifeform: shinohai: that ain't zoolag
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267551 << for what, exactly ? and did the asteroid hit, or what, is there a shortage of cn speakers now? ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: (and a thousand other now-ubiquitous concepts)
asciilifeform: iirc he was the first man to conceive the words 'telephone' and 'microphone'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267519 << the great inventor wheatstone wanted to build a telephone grid! but, of course, using vibrating piano wire. how else. ☝︎
asciilifeform: they purchased and rebranded THE monopoly.
asciilifeform: but in the case of the latter ('dejanews') there never WAS any competition
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267505 << like a dung beetle, google does not devour anything valuable to you and i. the only possible exception might be the usenet archive ☝︎
asciilifeform: even ~actual~ cosmic rays can be dealt with. we know how.
asciilifeform: but engineering is fundamentally about ~known~ constraints. and this can be achieved in, e.g., cpu design, and the whole motherfucking system, there is no magic here. microshit's greatest crime is teaching three generations of people that it ~is~ somehow magic, and unachievable. this is a crock of shit.
asciilifeform: yes, bury it in the forest for 80 years and perhaps it will leak. ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267484 << this is an uncommonly poor analogy, considering that even the humble world of physical pipes is full of pipes which do not leak. trivially, e.g., a rifle barrel ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267483 << mircea_popescu: actually this is an order of magnitude tighter guarantee than ANYTHING pertaining to 'nano' or other c crapolade presently in use on your machine. ☝︎
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'cause i'm not seeing it.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if it's today, the spamatron must be clogged
asciilifeform: a good bit of the 'modern' www has dynamically loaded text, even, just as a pill against folks using lynx etc
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267355 << what is 'sane browser' ? if it is simply 'loads text', then mircea_popescu has it, run 'curl' ! but noooooo, you wanna read new york birdcage liner, aha ? then you're stuck with the shit soup, sorry. ☝︎
asciilifeform: !s zoolag
asciilifeform: same as before
asciilifeform: shinohai: zoolag is running
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267350 << mega-l0l! can't wait for arbitrarily more of this! ☝︎
asciilifeform: just as properly made furniture does not contain glue. ☟︎
asciilifeform: most of the 'small languages' on a unix box are 'glue'. you don't need glue on a sane computer.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267296 << this. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267274 << gabriel_laddel: you are speaking mostly to folks who haven't grasped lisp. sorta like showing a modern army base to medieval commander - he will not be able to see past it being 'a terrible castle, where the fuck are the walls and moats' ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267236 << the path to fits-in-head STRICTLY depends on every particular thing on the machine being implemented ONCE. this includes lexer, parser, related items. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: neato
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267210 << strictly when not hungry ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267211 << there is unlikely more than a GB or two worth preserving, period. ☝︎
asciilifeform bbl
asciilifeform: mats: ancient news
asciilifeform: ask anyone who's tried.
asciilifeform: i will add that it is not actually easy to write a useful computeralgebratron.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: still runs it
asciilifeform: (not incl. the pc version, which was discontinued a decade ago)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they have what, three separate product lines based on it? no shit
asciilifeform: very stimulating reading.
asciilifeform: mulisp has an interestingly forth-like self-mod compiler
asciilifeform: (hastily welded on, it is elephantine for the time, hundreds of kB!)
asciilifeform: dwarfed by the gui crud
asciilifeform: so today i cut open the winblowz version of 'derive', v.6. it has mulisp buried in there!! a 32-bit version thereof. hand-coded in asm, at least partly.
asciilifeform: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5702/65435673.1d1/0_87bdb_b406c8ac_orig << american pooh
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1438&bih=2473&q=%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8+%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%85 etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nobody is jaundiced in ru transl. of pooh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: microshit has not improved a single thing it touched, from z80 rom basic, xenix, msdos (yes), to this day
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it.
asciilifeform: mats: nope. so i jump to somewhere that has the prologue. solved.
asciilifeform: or ask mats, aha.
asciilifeform: ask microshit not me.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i had to guess, would say that it checks for a standard prologue before jumping to the return addr found on stack
asciilifeform: they haven't got tables of anything, just shit soup.
asciilifeform: pe !
asciilifeform: it's winblowz he spoke of, no ?
asciilifeform: elf l0l
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha, if for eating, doesn't much matter if the nonpressurized parts are of zamac
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a nagant, circa 1940s, sells for around 100 usd iirc. so the reddit fella could, if he had a bit of budget left, literally eat nagant.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of this, does kakobrekla's magical car still run ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, am i mistaken ?
asciilifeform: sure it does
asciilifeform: 500 bux would buy a very decent pistol to eat !
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266873 << how much megablox-moving-horsepower does one get for 20 usd/mo, exactly...? ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266831 << i don't know the fella personally, but as i gather his main problem is starvation. it makes people foolish, i speak from experience ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i confess that i imagine you living in a proper old west town, with saloon, with spittoon
asciilifeform usually reads by the MB, but sometimes - by the crate.
asciilifeform: and a tome on polymorphic virii.
asciilifeform: very spiffy little monograph on a/v stego in there, as well
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it had to go on a boat!
asciilifeform just pried open a crate of ru dead tree material concerning crypto research, some of it historical, most of it entirely unavailable in en
asciilifeform: recurs in myth and legend
asciilifeform: this is an ancient idea, even