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a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 18:53 BingoBoingo: trinque: I don't have concrete plans. The major part of the DC cost is pipe rather than rack. Renegotiating for less pipe with the datacenter would change the costs we are basing our colocation price off of as well.

BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, but how *many* accounts did you message out of how many in the db, over what time, what filter(s) did you use and with what results? << The way I've been walking by hand involves looking at the users online list most forums helpfully still offer and going from there. Recently I've taken to looking for "I got banned from X turdservice" threads and blogs then posting targeted copy as demonstrated in one of the

a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 19:01 trinque: I'd be shocked if you needed more than that 10/100.

asciilifeform: in re the uy1 machine: i'ma set up a realtime systemlog printer for that machine. if there's a physical problem with the iron, i expect we will find the culprit shortly.

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'd hope it's on acct of it being inside the most recent update cycle. ( BingoBoingo ? ) << This assessment of local liquidity is indeed the latest update cycle, but local liquidity has been growing over the past month.

asciilifeform: i'd hope it's on acct of it being inside the most recent update cycle. ( BingoBoingo ? )

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well for the most part, I have a bank account. We've been doing the fiat auctions, and one of the localbitcoins traders has grown his ablity to handle larger conversions as he's gone full time working his bicycle based currency exchange. So far this can meet our near term needs.

diana_coman: yes! I was basically waiting for something like that as a minimum re promised writeup review

mircea_popescu: i expect.

BingoBoingo: to work on the Pizarro marketing problem. Recently there have been some promising contacts from marketing efforts, but I haven't been converting yet.

BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> how do you see that working before pizarro starves? << I worry. The more I think about the marketing and trying to make a plan for marketing I worry. I am in the unhappy position of being out of my depth on the marketing problem, repeating my concerns about my lack of marketing prowess, trying to apply advice as I can while juggling other concerns, and not getting any feedback on incentives that can bring other people in

mircea_popescu: diana_coman i never heard of a body that thrived by eating its fingers, no.

a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 19:24 mod6: I'll see if I can work around it somehow.

BingoBoingo: If the marketing can't start catching fish. On this point I am working on a response to diana_coman. The short of it is I want help, and I want to know what kind of incentive can bring in some hands to help with marketing.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886483 << it can't possibly be the problem the dc's kicking him out, he just got a decent chunk wired there. i rather expect he's running into tyhe problem of what to eat himself. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 18:49 trinque: trivially, if you're not using the full capacity of the rack, first thing I'd do is try to renegotiate the contract with DC for a smaller rental.

a111: Logged on 2019-01-12 01:00 asciilifeform: wtf re '49 Year Old' tho! i'd naively think 'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb'...

a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 16:45 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884603 << BingoBoingo i'd ~really~ like to hear what is current plan for gettin' heathen custom, so as to finally get the hell out of the red. asciilifeform dun have a massive treasure chest that can run pizarro 'on battery' 4evah (hopefully not surprising, this)

diana_coman: I fail to find also a continuation to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884838 - > was there some discussion on this going forwards? ☝︎

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I am presently hand cranking the database walking.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I am posting and prodding forums manually, and those are not the only two. Those examples were selected for their relative visibilty. I am getting some noises in response to my fishing now. I plan to meet one fellow from one forum next week while he's passing through the city.

diana_coman: BingoBoingo, I re-read now that post with the idea in mind that it's meant to be the "fleshed out" version - it reads like a reasonable summary but I still fail to see the fleshed out plans going forward and esp re "try to drink the ocean" ; I followed the links and noticed the posts but I still get the impression those are only a few and/or manually done, is that correct?

diana_coman: I still think it's a mess basically and I wrote it there like that with bullet points precisely because I know I will keep tripping over this so at least I know where to go to ...

a111: Logged on 2019-01-11 18:06 asciilifeform: and ftr i'm surely doomed to run into diana_coman's puzzler myself, when i go to write a threaded proggy (e.g. adaized trb)

a111: Logged on 2019-01-11 17:48 asciilifeform: ( re 'how many witnesses', see diana_coman's article, it reviews the necessary maffs, i.e. P(yer prime aint a prime and you die) == (1/4)^n, where n is # of witness )

a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 02:28 asciilifeform: 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.'

a111: Logged on 2019-01-11 15:06 asciilifeform: diana_coman: correct. but i also did not 'ha! let's make it eggog cuz nobody did'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't know that there's anything wrong with returning gcd of 0,0 as 0. in my abstract mental model wherein 1 is a divisor of all numbers, gcd 0,0 =1, and furthermore 0 can never be a divisor of anything ; but this purely set-driven problem is inconsequential in boole's alt-world afaak.

BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, specifically and a bit of follow-up on trinque's point above: pizarroisp.net/2019/01/ has this tiny paragraph starting with "action items" - was/is that fleshed out anywhere? << I flesh out Pizarro's situation here http://bingology.net/2019/01/11/more-lessons-learned-pizarro-entering-2019/ I am hoping to get feedback from the Pizarro board (asciilifeform and mod6) and this forum. trinque is the first person to

BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, no select script on pizarro's blog? << I'll get it set up in the next couple days.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, hmm basically a client can end up "making an account" with Eve and not even knowing it/getting then stuck/receiving unexpected messages at next attempt with legitimate server; I'm sure a client can basically recover/notice in the end but it pushes a bit more complexity on client

mod6: Which wp didn't touch the <dir> tag and replace with < and >, and for whatever reason, <dir> seems to play with the text formatting. So after I replaced, it seems aligned properly now.

mod6: Alright, I fixed it. But I'll leave the raw file out there anyway just in case.

mod6: Also, it seems that my mega-diff in the blog somehow slightly-skews the justification to the right by a few characters. I'll try to remedy that. In the mean time, if people want to just read the raw text post instead, I've made that available here as well: http://www.mod6.net/2019/January/13/keccak_regrind_noUTF8.txt

mod6: I'll see if I can work around it somehow. ☟︎

mod6: lol, this is pretty great. So I was just looking at the post, and I was thinking "why does my 8th item in the overview seems spaced in one extra space?", and then I looked at the published source.

mod6: While Republicans are reviewing the above, I'm going to continue working on my TRB HOWTO updates -- I think it's pretty much finished, but I want to test it first before I start handing it around for testing by all. After this, and blessings of the regrind from TMSR~, I'll put a date on when thebitcoin.foundation site will roll over to the keccak vtree exclusively.

mod6: http://blog.mod6.net/?p=26 << Here's my TRB Keccak Regrind blog post. I have a tarball linked very near the bottom that contains my reground trb keccak vtree, as well as seals for each. These are posted so one may test with these (I need the help!).

BingoBoingo: This may be the case. I am very wary about pursuing that avenue without the board and input from all major Pizarro customers.

trinque: I don't see why you'd change your pricing at all if it turns out nobody's using the capacity.

trinque: I'd be shocked if you needed more than that 10/100. ☟︎

trinque: consider that I'd, at least, suffer less pipe sooner than no pipe.

BingoBoingo: trinque: I don't have concrete plans. The major part of the DC cost is pipe rather than rack. Renegotiating for less pipe with the datacenter would change the costs we are basing our colocation price off of as well. ☟︎

trinque: trivially, if you're not using the full capacity of the rack, first thing I'd do is try to renegotiate the contract with DC for a smaller rental. ☟︎

trinque: BingoBoingo: in reading your latest, I'm curious what fallback plans you have in between pizarro as is today and pizarro shuttered.

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886460 << Ah, well done, Sir. I've added your name and host's IP to the list of Advertised Republican Nodes. Cheers! ☝︎

billymg: !Q later tell hanbot mp-wp patches have been updated: http://billymg.com/2019/01/minor-mp-wp-patch-updates/ -- the only "\ No newline at end of file" strings you should find in .svg refs patch are from before part of the diff (i.e. file diffed had no newline at the end) ☟︎

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886456 << Thanks for reading & feedback diana_coman! I'm working to port over the old-ones as I can. I'll find a temporary solution in the mean time. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i'd rather not grandfather the current bitcoin wallet approach, time-tested as it might be. but this problem will recur (no later than "wut do wallet" in any case). so...

mircea_popescu: this is a matter of best practices that's by its nature a republican standard candidate, so i'd very much like to hear the esteemed lordship. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: in other news : i'm not entirely current here, but diana_coman does seem to have neatly resolved the ada-cpp linking conundrums. going on which theory, the next step we're upon is what to do with the keys.

spyked: and in other tasks in my queue, I propose adding billymg and mod6's blogs to feedbot (I'll do that tomorrow if there are no objections)

a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 14:30 mircea_popescu: spyked is evidently trying, hence feedbot, but evidently having trouble reconciling saeculum, which i'm going to let stand as such on the grounds that he's new -- even though experience shows that as a dubious idea [for all the eg one could possibly need witness how asciilifeform 's still in the swamp, so many years later].

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884617 <-- ftr, I agree 100% with this assessment. the last 4 months (at least) of my life have been a rollercoaster, and I'm just beginning to settle down into an arrangement where I can set goals without getting preempted at every corner. my current goal is to have a schedule posted by the end of the month, in the same style as http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 , ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-11 15:19 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886075 -> on additional digging, static lib apparently does have libnameinit so yest I was looking for the wrong thing

asciilifeform: wtf re '49 Year Old' tho! i'd naively think 'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb'... ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 17:10 mircea_popescu: (that article, btw, remarkable because i told ro bezos "Si, draga Varanule, nu-i clar ca mai ai cinci ani" ie, "dear reptile, it's not clear you have five years left" in 2012 -- by 2014 he was in jail. because hey, mp is right now and again accidentally which is to say 1024/1024 occurences on his blog etc etc)

asciilifeform: ( i dun have a trademark on the phrase, naturally, but still a lul )

diana_coman: asciilifeform, I know, no worries at all! onth I'm not going to *sit* stuck, no - digging at it

asciilifeform: and ftr i'm surely doomed to run into diana_coman's puzzler myself, when i go to write a threaded proggy (e.g. adaized trb) ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: plz dun see the orig statement as ' asciilifeform presumes that diana_coman is dummkopf and problem is trivial, asciilifeform can do it with 1 hand '. i simply dun like to see people sitting stuck, is all.

diana_coman: so far I can tell that the static lib has the huge disadvantage that one needs then to link with it everything but the kitchen sink to bring in all it needs from ada runtime

a111: Logged on 2019-01-11 16:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you're utterly stumped, i can allocate some cycles to the problem tomorrow -- with mircea_popescu's permission ( i swore to him that i will not embroil meself in matters euloric , recall )

asciilifeform: i'ma include a few obvious approaches as example tapes, but it is NOT the intention that anyone use'em as-found.

asciilifeform: a 'graduate' of ffa (i.e. fella who ~read~ the thing, as it was intended to be read, and fit-in-head) will have no trouble writing his particular variant of correct prime generator for his particular type of key.

asciilifeform: ( re 'how many witnesses', see diana_coman's article, it reviews the necessary maffs, i.e. P(yer prime aint a prime and you die) == (1/4)^n, where n is # of witness ) ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: see, i fucking hate 'magic numbers'.

asciilifeform: presently looping is prohibited in pcode, in later ch. will be introduced. (but i am spoiling things..)

asciilifeform: anyway i'ma post the actual physical measurement once i have it, but i dun expect it will be far from this chalkboard figure.

asciilifeform: take for example diana_coman's system , where 16 witnesses are used. ( i'd use moar, but let's go with the example. ) so if we're generating 2048b primes (for 4096b rsa mod), per ch.14b timings on asciilifeform's iron this costs ~2.9s per modexp, and thereby ~93sec per m-r procedure.

asciilifeform: ... or i suppose if yer still stumped next friday night, then.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you're utterly stumped, i can allocate some cycles to the problem tomorrow -- with mircea_popescu's permission ( i swore to him that i will not embroil meself in matters euloric , recall ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: what i meant was, my proggy has no elaborator, and yours -- has, so i am not qualified to say 'here's how to fix elaborator in static lib' of yet.

asciilifeform: but i cannot yet say conclusively. diana_coman is at the bleeding edge of this q.

asciilifeform: last time i touched the subj with own hands, i concluded that elaborator isn't even permitted in static ada lib.

diana_coman: but now I'm confused on whether *that* is enough or not (standalone thingie claims it takes care of everything needed for elaboration, correctly)

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886075 -> on additional digging, static lib apparently does have libnameinit so yest I was looking for the wrong thing ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: correct. hence why i decided subj is worth touching in the piece & in the l0gz.

asciilifeform: ( tho it grates on me that i never found any coherent discussion of subj anywhere, yet )

diana_coman: i.e. why would you check a gcd for not being 0 since it should never be 0

diana_coman: I suppose only in some silly situation such as "let's take 2 numbers from user; compute gcd and then proceed to divide and print results"

asciilifeform: i sat down last night and tried to conceive a 'div0'-style situation where you 'bought own cross' as result of permitting gcd(0,0) to execute. but did not find one.

diana_coman: other than that the "reason" I can see is that otherwise in principle you need an additional check each time you call gcd (i.e. to make sure you don't step even if once in a blue moon) on this particular rake

asciilifeform: i'ma leave it permitted for nao, and if somebody has persuasive arg why to prohibit, will listen.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: correct. but i also did not 'ha! let's make it eggog cuz nobody did' ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: near as i can tell, nobody ever does tho

diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm, I can't say that I have a very clear idea of ALL potential implications but atm I don't see some specific downside to that; I suppose the alternative would be to raise an error on gcd(0,0)?

diana_coman: client did build previously on gentoo so yes, I'd expect it builds on cuntoo as well really

asciilifeform: but evidently moar needed than i prev. thought

asciilifeform: pretty sure i mentioned it in the l0gz, it is old idea

asciilifeform: ( it dun use any osisms other than the cmdline args, which can be hardcoded for test runs; as for i/o, can be rs232, and guesswat, 'os' )

asciilifeform: some time after i get ffa to field testing , i'ma dust off ave1's bare iron gnat and bake 'ffa os', will be ~same thing

asciilifeform: sorta 90% of the reason i want a dos gnat

asciilifeform: i suspect my hdd

mircea_popescu: i was thinking more the weekend ?

Mocky: mircea_popescu sure, no problem. I'll fire it up tomorrow, make sure I'm good to go.

asciilifeform: thing is, this effect does not appear with e..g modexp, so i gotta find out where it comes from

asciilifeform: involved (i.e. interaction with other crapola running on the box) to produce random variance

asciilifeform: btw the thing that set asciilifeform's ears standing originally, is that the gcd test battery appeared to give +/- 30% variant runtimes depending on hamming weights. but in 20 repeats of the trial set, the same thing showed up, and with no correlation to hamming weight. and a http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wherN/?raw=true ( soft barrelshifter ) version now ends up showing... same thing. i suspect that some peculiarity of the pipeline is