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a111: Logged on 2018-09-10 16:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the strugatsky brothers, before sinking into senile delirium, had a tale 'roadside picnic', where unknown aliens land and leave buncha rubbish behind, and immediately depart. the rubbish includes 'usefuls', such as 'eternal batteries', but also various deadlies, and plenty of things 'in between', and earthling culture is rearranged by it.
phf: or a sierra quest
phf: mircea_popescu: well, i don't think this is quite like chasing women, i think of it more as a scavenger hunt.
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean, capable when producing what etcetera. i never pursued a woman in my life, nor do i intend to ever start ; i hold no grudges for those who do, but you do understand ~an entire half of the species~ survived to the present day by ~exploting~ this behaviour of yours, yes ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: from my pov, if you 'interest in comp' and aint a bolixologist, yer breathing air in vain
phf: ignoring for a moment the general conclusion in multiple threads that bolix archeology is essentially a pointless hobby
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 19:56 asciilifeform: apeloyee: but on the other hand any attempt to build a sane arch, without fully grasping the bolix stack, from ic to the compiler, is lunacy.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.
mircea_popescu: indulge me for a moment, if you will, and make sense of this salad. why exactly would you ~care~ about the relationship with some morons who ~actually read~ the logs and then douchebag out of the republic ? "because they know really interesting secrets" ? you genuinely believe this is possible, people being both so fucking stupid as to opt out of the republic, and so fucking smart as to have anything, ~anything whatsoever~ to
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 21:32 phf: that's not a promise that i made, and this is a misrepresentation of my position. unfortunately i can't find the relevant pgpgram, but i believe i made it clear that i don't want this publically discussed, because obviously if any of the interested parties were to read this conversation, their reaction would be "waitaminute". i never the less offered to share what i have, but i never got a confirmation that you can just keep quite on
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882171 << specifically "waitaminute" what ? "waitaminute, high fucking time to make a key and register iwth deedbot" ? or "waitaminute, this isn't a guy we can talk to anymore!" ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 21:00 asciilifeform: and especially , deliberately unfriendly to whoever profits from the seekrederpery. in fact, i will know when my reversing has succeeded when a bolix collector somewhere at last eats his pistol because his $100k stash of irons is now worth == 8bit nintendo.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882089 << this is a most idiotic standard. doctor doesn't rest easy when the last "seer" mammie "eats pistol", chiefly because doctor doesn't give a damn. ☝︎
trinque: you know, like that time trinque and phf got into it, and probably would've wised up pages back if but for a friendly thrown fist
mircea_popescu: trinque there seems to be a halting problem somewhere buried in there, among various other maladroitisms.
asciilifeform: talking-to-people is a+++, if you ~use~ the intel
phf: actually i'm not sure i said it in the logs, so my bad. i want a fully operational bolix fpga, or in the future other type of replica, complete with genera sources and other such bells and whistles
phf: asciilifeform: i don't believe me repeating myself on this point will make a difference, i've already said it, but you've already made your conclusions.
phf: yes, my whole goal is to have a bunch of useless bolix junk, that i can mallory on top till i die.
phf: yes, and it can continue this way, until i either have non-0, or it all amounts to nothing. how's that a problem? it's my fucking work.
phf: asciilifeform: there was already _one_ conversation, i made my _conclusions_. your adventage is that you can basically just rant in the open, make insulting fucking statements in "general direction" of those bolix whisperers. where's i lose by having this in public record. i told you as much _at the very beginning_. but you clearly shit on my efforts, i mean you have been saying as much in public for a year, so you don't lose anything
asciilifeform: but if ~does~ trust, then i want to see the logical next step, if a then b.
phf: asciilifeform: it's a fucking rhetorical question.
phf: look i told you about the stuff basically as soon as i came back _from a photoshoot_, gigs of photos, need to be sorted through. i communicated as much. the whisperer stuff started way before i had a chance to do anything about it. i mean what the fuck. it's like "i'm the greatest bolix liberator, and everyone else working towards it is an obscurantist and a cunt, unless they blog their shit right now". how am i not supposed to take
phf: that's not a promise that i made, and this is a misrepresentation of my position. unfortunately i can't find the relevant pgpgram, but i believe i made it clear that i don't want this publically discussed, because obviously if any of the interested parties were to read this conversation, their reaction would be "waitaminute". i never the less offered to share what i have, but i never got a confirmation that you can just keep quite on ☟︎
mircea_popescu: talking to a girl doesn't result in an obligation to fuck her. or marry her. or raise her offspring. you're just talking.
mircea_popescu: (which is a fine game btw)
mircea_popescu: so far you've learned that if you learn or don't learn it's not apparently a process within your control. which in itself needs some examination.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 20:04 asciilifeform: nao, if phf thinks that asciilifeform cracking the case ~at all~ will 'unmask' phf's informant, this is a problem. chiefly for phf's informant, because i ~will~ rape bolix, whether anyone helps or not
asciilifeform: i'm not at all averse to handling the matter in such a way that it preserves phf's source. keeping in mind the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881979 caveat. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: you know, when you ask someone why is x conflictual and he dunno, it's a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882111 ; when you ask me the results are invariably http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/ like. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: so then why is this a conflictual matter anyway ?
mircea_popescu: so basically, the facts of the matter is, "at some point in the distant-er than month but closer than decade past", phf wanted to tell you some things and you took a hard line "just dump the thing", which he didn't want to do. then recently, having bought some parts and being less theoretically and more practically minded, you revised your stance ~in your own mind~ to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881964 and so on, but n ☝︎
mircea_popescu: well, so in simple terms, is 'your response was essentially "i'm not making any promises, i'm going to dump the whole thing on the internet"' a factual claim or isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: maybe you did, but as a factual matter it's not clear to me.
mircea_popescu: so now. is the case as you publicly present it, "phf has been not helping for year +" or is the case as he publicly presents it, "i tried to help a year ago but granularity didn't match and then he went on a campaign of fuming about whisperers ''in general'' transparently in reference to the particuylar case and i was stuck sitting and listening to it."
asciilifeform: quite a bitch
mircea_popescu: you understand what a bitch it is to clean ?
mircea_popescu: did you ever own a safe ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever put yer lunch inside a safe ?
mircea_popescu: and now im in the unenviable position of thinking about nonsense. look here asciilifeform : the man says http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881968 and what am i to do ? remember that you're one of the principal idiots who decided to run their pizarro process throgh a encryptospitball, and before that you came up with the brilliancy that was "secret clauses" in pizarro nearly got ben_vulpes beheaded. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i also dun have a treasure chest.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:55 phf: i took saeculum promises specifically to assist with republican work. i think that dumping this dump as is is short sighted, because the dump by weight is garbage, and will trivially identify all involved. i want to at least evaluate what's in it that can be of assistance to asciilifeform, an identification that became necessary only a week ago.
phf: asciilifeform: i have no issues with unfriendliness of your approach or it's secret busting nature. i'm trying different approach, and so far our success is identical in that it's 0. we're at a point where our mutual approaches can benefit, yet you deny me mine, periodically insulting it in creative ways.
asciilifeform: and especially , deliberately unfriendly to whoever profits from the seekrederpery. in fact, i will know when my reversing has succeeded when a bolix collector somewhere at last eats his pistol because his $100k stash of irons is now worth == 8bit nintendo. ☟︎
asciilifeform suspects that if this weren't the case, i'd be posting from a 32GB bolix already
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:29 phf: my approach to this is to find compromise, i've volunteered all the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate to him. is this approach not acceptable? it seems that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state, that might or might not help
mircea_popescu: right. anyways, carrying on : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881922 << in the practical terms of doing things, the problem of unknowns stands that the man with a need and no chest doesn't know what to ask from the chest and the man with the ches and no need doesn't know what to send him. ☝︎
phf: mircea_popescu: i act out of character once, and it's to my disadvantage. i got the original point, i didn't at any point expect that there's a way to avoid it.
asciilifeform: and even worked, after a fashion, long catalogue of squirming seekretards
asciilifeform: phuctor was specifically conceived as a spiked, electrified cock to be driven deep into the arses of the 'we measured, won't say' people, whatever their nominal flag
mircea_popescu: there's a long history of "fuckers, phuctor" specifically driven by this behaviour, so no, it's not liable to be popular in general.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:29 phf: my approach to this is to find compromise, i've volunteered all the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate to him. is this approach not acceptable? it seems that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state, that might or might not help
asciilifeform: i aint a hotheaded fella, have patience. picture how e.g. mircea_popescu would react, if somebody promised him item 'next weekend' and then for 13 consecutive months 'next weekend' with no intermediate debug output.
asciilifeform: phf: i aint even asking 'gimme nao', but why not pick a date .
phf: how much of this is genuine interest to replicate the damn thing and how much of this is just a blind "i want, now now now"?
phf: there's no "docs", it's not some kind of mother lode of all things bolix. fwiw i went into as excited and with the same expectations you're imagining right now. there was a set of printed papers that primarily existed in pre-ivory days. they are mostly related to e.g. mechanical layout of the boards (the bulk of stuff was e.g. machining parameters of motherboards and cases, something i didn't even touch)
asciilifeform: i'm even inclined to believe when phf says 'i'm gathering intel, from skittish source'. but there comes a time to act on the intel.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. to bake a cycle-accurate copy of e.g. 'xl' )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 16:48 phf: well, if we don't, i'll see if i can get an unlock through corporate channels, and just use it as a one off machine
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 23:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did describe earlier, having concluded a few yrs ago that it is cheaper, easier, moar pleasant, to cut appart 'snap4' emulator (i have a pc build here ~with debug symbols~, comes apart in ida nicely) than to suffer with nitric acid and electron microscope
phf: asciilifeform: you're reading selectively. _i_ was expecting to see dirt yr+ ago, there was none. it was totally a waste of work
asciilifeform: for all you know, some rubbish dks scribbled on a napkin in 1991 is the key.
phf: asciilifeform: last year i made a bunch of scans, that were almost entirely duds, you were as insistent on a release as you are now. this would've prevented this year's scans, that are potentially more relevant to your work.
phf: asciilifeform: there's this general position that what you're doing, you're doing to get yoursefl a running bolix clone, where's i'm just fucking around, which is bullshit. i'm doing the same thing, towards the same goals. it's not presently clear who's more successful. you basically want me to unilaterally fuck up my entire operation, because ~last week~ you bought a macivory.
asciilifeform: nao, if phf thinks that asciilifeform cracking the case ~at all~ will 'unmask' phf's informant, this is a problem. chiefly for phf's informant, because i ~will~ rape bolix, whether anyone helps or not ☟︎
phf: on it?" is this not fucking contradictory. and now i'm basically in a position, where from your demands and impatience i'm presented with a choice "either do this or you're out"
phf: i took saeculum promises specifically to assist with republican work. i think that dumping this dump as is is short sighted, because the dump by weight is garbage, and will trivially identify all involved. i want to at least evaluate what's in it that can be of assistance to asciilifeform, an identification that became necessary only a week ago. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and i dun hold it against mircea_popescu , then or nao, it's a talent, this , holding folx to account re their 'i'ma X'.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 15:12 mircea_popescu: to write about divinity interestingly, one needs to be aware of a ~shitload~ more stuff than is available at oklahoma public library, is the thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to expand on the 'why even do this' item, from asciilifeform's pov it's entirely a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881419 case ☝︎
phf: the last sentence above is a question
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 19:15 mircea_popescu: and more generally, if it's a "oh, #trilema is item #608 on my list of 1850 vaguely maybe interesting items i found on the internet, among which i read to pass the time waiting for the bus or w/e" sorta affair forget about it altogether, there's 0 interest in supporting that kinda imbecility/pluralism/skepticism.
phf: mircea_popescu: i made that point in logs multiple times, having had a chance to look at a variety "gold chests"
mircea_popescu: the discussion here revolves around your attempt to introduce some kind of superior consideration, and im telling you neatly that if you think in this way there is not now nor will ever be in the future a place for you here.
phf: asciilifeform: there was no concrete goal until last week, when you decided to buy a macivory
phf: my approach to this is to find compromise, i've volunteered all the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate to him. is this approach not acceptable? it seems that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state, that might or might not help ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: in short, you're doing a danielpbarron, and it's going to go exactly as well as his.
mircea_popescu: phf the yellow dots is specifically a reference to http://qntra.net/2017/06/reality-winner-arrested-for-leaking-to-omidyar-and-greenwalds-fake-qntra/
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881853 << i was the only person who showed up to do dull, manual job, when there was a need for it. i can't leak it because i promised not to. there will be no consequences for me, but i made a promise to multiple people, for whom there might be consequences, and it's not my place to evaluate whether that's true or not. that said that doesn't mean that i can't use knowledge this way acquired to help ☝︎
asciilifeform: the u.s. airplane museum actually has a nifty arcade, with the type of flight sim where one straps in and physically turns upside-down, etc
mircea_popescu: there's a certain carnality of existence. unlike the ghoistly quality of emulation, imagination, etc.
asciilifeform: lol you bought a pinball ?!
mircea_popescu: sspeaking of which -- i wanted to play pinball. girls went all over town. no pinball machine exists in a costa rican arcade.
mircea_popescu: a right.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:44 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf turns out i was wrong re the rom, the rom-shaped object is actually a 1980s 'programmable event timer' thingie, am2971adc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/19/a-week-in-tmsr-26-november-2-december-2018/comment-page-1/#comment-4615 << 2nd part prolly of interest.
mircea_popescu: now these fucktards go about with a unified view of "the thing specifically declared as unifiable".
mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/19/a-week-in-tmsr-26-november-2-december-2018/#selection-105.764-105.817 << actually, a major bomb was dropped there, wherein long standing trb-immunity was revoked.
mircea_popescu: you mean, "all i got -- is a passport" or you mean "all i got -- is fuck you mp!" ?
mircea_popescu: eh, get a passport first.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't think we have nearly enough drama. a serious project would have more drama.
Mocky: just read the summary, got a chuckle. 'tis tru!
mircea_popescu: kinda why inheritance is such a suspect device in the first place.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ie, do they object money was flowing into trump or that it was flowing out of trump ? << US folks set these things up and set the to keep warm. If the kids don't fuck him at the end of life thing gets filled and kid gets to draw a salary and "philanderanthropist" job title on their CV
mircea_popescu: except she was a pretty smart white girl, rather than an ugly stupid black girl.
BingoBoingo: He recently put up a tower in Punta Del Este
mircea_popescu: didn't he own a tower in buenos aires and shit like that ? wtf million.
asciilifeform: i can't picture a 'full suitcase' of d00d's, containing small change.
mircea_popescu: "the price on 5th avenue of such a suitcase (or a similar one, as close as could be found) new is a little more than 1.7 dubaloos. thereforee..."