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shinohai: If your sole contribution to computing is "adding fucking emojis" please die in a fire.
lobbes: "Many folks expect to have some way of viewing and using emojis" heh ☟︎
mod6: hi shinohai, glad to hear that the testing went well.
shinohai: Adding this smacktard to my "List of ppl that need to die" http://archive.is/Lz9f9
lobbes: One of the oldest self-help b00ks, still kickin' to this day
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675463 << in somewhat vintage cargocultisms. >> "Korean women want to know the secret. They found the secret in this book." << lol "You, too, can do 'it'!" ☝︎
BingoBoingo: So the first 3 results from the Google search "Roxanne Gay hamplanet" do not include the word hamplanet. Google Has either learned OR CENSORED RESULTS AGAIN!!!
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell mod6 New makefiles test went smooth ... If you aren't head-banging over Ada I have question regarding Vim setup when you have time.
asciilifeform: 'Among the store’s roughly five thousand volumes were eight different books called “Talmud,” several of which listed Rabbi Tokayer as the author and included pictures of him inside their front covers. One version included “A Personal Message from the Author,” in English, in which Tokayer expressed his belief that “the Korean people and the Jewish people have so much in common, and share so many similar values.” '
asciilifeform: in continuation of 'the best car -- is to already be at the destination' line of thought, 'the best keyboard is to simply not need to hit many keys'
asciilifeform: and moreover, the mircea_popescutronic answer to 'rsi', is that one that i end up using: 'type less, fool'
asciilifeform: phf: now this -- tru!
asciilifeform: but given what % of time i spend in front of screen and touching kbd, the idea of using lusertronic rubbish has ~0 appeal
phf: i have to say though, from ergonomic perspective i've realized a while ago that none of this particularly matters. it's all significantly offset by fitness regime or lack of
asciilifeform: there of course is the -- quite valid -- mircea_popescu school of thought, 'furniture oughta be standard and expendable'
phf: my setup is so "modern" that i can't really worry about permanence
asciilifeform: i'd still like to resurrect the su-era gold standard, the magnetic reed switch kbd.
asciilifeform: aha, theoretically quite possible.
phf: yeah, i think we had a conversation about putting piano forte into the firmware. if you type it fff it'll automatically uppercase and add random !!! etc.
asciilifeform: spring buckles and conductive plastic 'foot' tips and moves just a little, changing the resonant freq of that row/column
asciilifeform: i like the key mechanisms -- unlike 'ibm m', no membrane, no rubber anythings, no rivets.
asciilifeform: however it is worth noting that it accepts ibm 'm' keys, and so you can easily be rid of the martian terminal keys and replace with 'human'
phf: yeah, i got two, i'm yet to do anything with them. (and yes, mine are steel and correct version etc.)
asciilifeform: currently i use one of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_F_keyboard#/media/File:Model_F_corrosion.jpg and it took eons to sand, deburr, paint, rf paint inside, ultrasonically clean the moving parts, reassembly takes ~day...
asciilifeform: aha, i found 100% of post-1980s kbds to feel ~same, all like this.
phf: i've at some point went through a mechanical keyboard site and ordered 6 different boards with all the available switches from different manufacturers. while they look "retro", e.g. http://xahlee.info/kbd/i/modern_selectric_keycaps_50529.jpg they all universally felt cheap with light frame and unpleasant lateral travel
asciilifeform: But is does result in a product that is reliable not just to start with, but in ten or more years time.' << sounds great, but hey folx, why not make buckling springs like normal people!111
asciilifeform: 'Maltron keyboards are expensive by comparison and for many people represent a considerable investment. They are hand made from sheet materials which are formed and punched to make the shell or body of the keyboard. Cherry MX key switches are individually fitted by hand. The switch contacts are wired up into a scanning XY matrix by hand. In fact everything is done on an individual basis by hand. This does not result in a $5 product.
mod6: those maltron boards look nice. i didn't get one because it's nearly 2x as much as the kinesis.. and had no idea if i could even get used to the concave thing.
phf: mod6: people have modded that advantage to have a trackball in the middle, with a variety of approaches. there's actually hollow space there
mod6: <+phf> has builtin trackball even, in the right place << this would be handy. mine doesn't have this. having to take my hands off the board gets annoying.
asciilifeform: the '50 million cycles' thing is a bold lie.
asciilifeform: sadly they ( and taiwanese 'alps' clone ) are the ~only 'clickies' in new production afaik today.
asciilifeform: and when they do you geeeetttttt thiiiiis
asciilifeform: they feel cheap, and they break.
asciilifeform: http://www.maltron.com/cherry-mx-switches.html << looks like they use cherries nao
phf: it's because their own design, "maltron switches". sometimes it's an option on those "mechanical keyboard" sites, so i wouldn't be surprised if the switches are good
asciilifeform: the site seems to be silent re switches.
BingoBoingo: All sorts of botique business endavors are born thinking "Better materials!!!" are a panacea, then they build their product, and it turns out there are design considerations beyond material
asciilifeform: i wonder what the switches are like
asciilifeform: looks like like in the b00k
phf: has builtin trackball even, in the right place
asciilifeform: ( how to make buckling spring is not a secret )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the keys are the hard part, not the keyboard
asciilifeform: is custom machined to fit yer hands, of shitanium??
phf: yeah i wonder, i looked into it 10+ years ago, and punted at the $2000 or whatever price tag
asciilifeform: phf: dunno whether they still made
asciilifeform: phf: i saw maltron for first and last time in 1980s-era b00k on 'fun of computing' or sumthing
mod6: they annoyme... but really all i use is the ESC key, which i've since replaced the windows key with a new normal esc key and remapped.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)
mod6: <+a111> Logged on 2017-06-27 14:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 << lol, are those f-keys rubber?! << apparently the older versions were indeed rubber. they've since gotten rid of that, and are now plastic. ☝︎
phf: oh i missed that
asciilifeform: it's the Right Thing.
asciilifeform: phf: i posted one of these for 'p' recently
phf: of only interest, it's got a state machine that knows how to parse (and validate as far as allocation and "how big is it?") individual packets, byte by byte and collect them until passing them on to gnupg
phf: oh it's the same design as sina, slinging openpgp "packets"
asciilifeform: phf: out of what didja make the rsa ?
phf: in fact i think i'm going to rip out some of the messier linked lists etc. management parts and simply wire in shiva. obviously wouldn't want to use it in the field, but mostly as a thing in itself
BingoBoingo: Well there in cooler days were loud things that went at motorcycle speed. Battery thing is for losers
asciilifeform: no 'vroom', no busybodies coming from miles around to see 'why is 8yo kid on a motorbike'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no, this was this tiny, ~silent thing, that still went at ~motorcycle speed
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Oh I thought we were talking awesome 2-strokes dirtbikes and pitbikes.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674678 << mine was written in cweb, i.e. the literate programming thing for c. i haven't finished it, but i got bogged on configuration management. ☝︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun think the battery existed then
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and this thing did not at all resemble ordinary bicycle or 'moped' -- was miniature copy of 'kawasaki ninja' i think << Pit bike. Where I grew up if my parents were cooler,tis likely a thing I could have played with
asciilifeform: rather than hover and give myself repetitivestress in joint that nobody even thought of doing it to previously
asciilifeform: i'd like to know where i can get a comp pedal that i can REST FUCKING FOOT on
phf: freestyle 2 lacks numpad, but has an extra two columns of keys on the right, sun style, which is unfortunately bound to a bunch of windows/mac functions (like cut/copy). i mostly figured out how to change what those keys send though..
asciilifeform: kinesis ? i had theirs
TomServo: hey asciilifeform they even got foot pedals!
phf: i actually like advantage, but it encourages chording, which you hate. those rubber f-keys definitely don't help, but after a while that extra travel time to f-keys gets annoying anyway.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 14:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 << lol, are those f-keys rubber?!
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675084 << apparently it's the wrong keyboard :o i used to use advantage back in the day, but now it's https://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/freestyle2-for-mac/ ☝︎
asciilifeform: lol training for 'whale cart' as pictured in BingoBoingo's material
ben_vulpes: oh god what's going to happen, he'll lose control and scramble out of the thing, falling all of six inches?
ben_vulpes: moving at no greater than 2 mph
ben_vulpes: at least kiddo was zooming, and had the opportunity to fall over
asciilifeform: and this thing did not at all resemble ordinary bicycle or 'moped' -- was miniature copy of 'kawasaki ninja' i think
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you've seen the gas powered 'minibikes' though, right?
ben_vulpes: "dress your kids in plastic and train them on lipos"
asciilifeform: not handcrafted thing, either, quite polished, likely - chinese
asciilifeform: i had nfi this existed.
asciilifeform: entirely working thing, running on laptop (must be) battery, boy of ~8 was rocketing along on it..
asciilifeform: speaking of which, i saw, i shit thee not, a child-sized motorcycle
asciilifeform: at a certain price tag it'd be worth having just for lulz, and to ride within swimming range of land
BingoBoingo: Well, general with vehicles of any sort... At the point the price becomes a "steal" yes, ownership costs far more than price tag
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: by the paper specs it seems to be a steal for the price. possibly the problem mircea_popescu mentioned ('lemons') is the tru reason.
asciilifeform: also not long ago i was bored on a train and found myself reading the tech docs to the diesel in that thing ( apparently a very common model.) surprisingly ( to asciilifeform ) the 'water going into the tailpipe when motor not running' is still considered an open engineering problem...
asciilifeform: ( the photos suggest that there are possibly rustable parts in it )
asciilifeform: i wonder, how long these typically sit around and rust
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell btw Sup
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell btw gabriel_laddel you oughta have received the old comp by nao
asciilifeform: ~later tell btw gabriel_laddel you oughta have received the old comp by nao
mircea_popescu: pcp goes mostly with the roids nuts afaik
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I thought that was more of a PCP thing
asciilifeform: is there a gabriel_laddel in ze house
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's more a ketamine thing.