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asciilifeform: it's a misery. i'll do without banging hands on a tabletop or waving them in air, thanks.
decimation: asciilifeform: my 'glove' idea was really a robot hand that would gently connect above your hand, to provide 'feedback' - but I agree that 'spring-like' action would be very difficult/expensive
ben_vulpes: that the "computer" i haul everywhere cannot make a realtime 3d model of its surroundings is hilarious.
asciilifeform: who am i to say they oughtn't.
mats_cd03: i appreciate it, will let you know if i run into anything especially gnarly
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: i have no idea.
mats_cd03: i forgot to mention i have no idea what i'm doing with web things
mats_cd03: i mean... management of spinning up/down, and what not
thestringpuller: mats_cd03: i threw up a little
mats_cd03: i'm still trying to work out if i can do it all through shell script supervisors, but that probably won't happen
mats_cd03: ben_vulpes: i'm building a dev env for website
ben_vulpes: +asciilifeform:every penny i spend is recorded. even at parking meters. << you've got this weird habit of just doing what they tell you. i don't get it, especially given your proclivities and tendencies. it's almost as though you're...an ironic mole!
ben_vulpes: +asciilifeform:kakobrekla: i take it turdatron functions to spec now? << what spec
kakobrekla: and yes i prefer it on the right of the mouse!
kakobrekla: i have a standalone numpad somewhere
asciilifeform: i bought a small crate, some years ago, to play with.
kakobrekla: i forgot why exactly, prolly no tenkeyless model
kakobrekla: i was looking at topre board a year ago but opted out in the end
asciilifeform: as i understand, these are quite rare outside of jp.
asciilifeform: any 'keyboard folks' still awake - there are yet other famous switches, that i have not used.
asciilifeform: (still is, perhaps, when i'm logged out...)
asciilifeform: it was, at one point, i think, about bitcoin.
asciilifeform: i'm not especially fond of them
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/upQWT.gif
badon: I'd still like to know what this channel is about :)
badon: I couldn't speak, so I couldn't ask until now, after asciilifeform voiced me so I could share what I was discussing with him privately about keyboards.
badon: I couldn't find a simple explanation in the channel topic, nor on the website.
badon: I wasn't aware of the existence of this channel, and I was going to ask what it's about.
badon: I'll have to get one wireless.
badon: I think I have 4 or 5 Typematrix keyboards, give or take.
asciilifeform: (not so much 'model m' - i used them also, but they do not, for any practical purpose, wear out. so don't need many.)
asciilifeform: i tend to buy 'northgates' in reasonable condition whenever and wherever they pop up
asciilifeform: i've yet to render a single 'model m' even partially inoperable.
badon: I've used them in the past, of course, but that was in the 1980's.
badon: I assume it's lighter, cheaper, and less bulky, but I can't say for sure since I haven't got any mechanical keyboards.
badon: Mechanical switches wear out too. I'm not sure they have any advantage over the membrane.
badon: I've really enjoyed mine, and it's easy to change out the membrane if I wear one out or accidentally screw it up.
badon: kakobrekla: It's pretty good. I think the scissors are teflon or something else extremely low friction.
badon: I can type on either Dvorak or QWERTY, but Dvorak is faster with fewer errors.
badon: In practice, I just stick with Dvorak though.
badon: Plus, the skins make the Typematrix the ultimate keyboard. My keyboard life has greatly increased now that no debris gets in them. Plus, I can switch layouts easily.
badon: I spent a ton of money on them, to test them all.
badon: asciilifeform: Yeah, I tried one of those too. I liked the Typematrix better.
badon: I buy used ones for spare parts, and keep them going. They're that awesome.
badon: It's pretty durable, but I wouldn't trust it for 30+ years like the IBM model M. Of course, I take mine with me mobile, and that's extra-hard on keyboards. I think I'm averaging about 4 or 5 years before I break one of mine.
badon: I have used several Typematrix keyboards during the last decade. I tried all the best and most expensive ergonomic keyboards, but the Typematrix was the cheapest "serious" keyboard I tested, and it was also the best. It was also the most easily portable one too. I wrote an article yesterday about them, and a few ways to get discounts and free stuff if you buy things in the right sequence: https://www.livebusinesschat.com/smf/index.php?t
badon: asciilifeform: Should I paste?
mike_c: i've got a friend who collects old crap like that, i'll ping him. he might know the right people to ask.
asciilifeform: i recall he bought, not long ago, a 'bolt modded' model m
kakobrekla: i have a bolt moded (ssk) and non bolt moded board and difference is huge
asciilifeform: i meant, in kernel
asciilifeform: i don't even allow usb keyboards on my personal machines.
decimation: I have to plug/replug usb to 'fix'
decimation: I use the model-m knockoff for my mac: http://pckeyboard.com/page/category/SpacesaverM
asciilifeform: but i have yet to find a keyboard made post-1995 or so that was worth having
asciilifeform: PeterL: i might do so, if any keyboard having it were worth using in the first place
PeterL: I'm suprised you don't reprogram the winblows key to be an extra control to give yourself another batch of functions at your fingertips?
decimation: I find the trackpad annoying too, not sure why people prefer
asciilifeform: i find them a misery.
decimation: I've used both and I didn't think that the 'natural keyboards' were all that more comfortable
gernika: asciilifeform: I find it interesting that you prefer the buckling springs over something like the Microsoft Natural Keyboard that doesn't require you flex your wrists sideways. That said, using the MS keyboard ultimately has not prevented me from having issues. I must try a springy keyboard.
kakobrekla: they do not seem identical but i think they are same, the keyboards
decimation: lol I like the .link
decimation: asciilifeform: I think sun made a keyboard with function keys on the left, but no buckling springs
asciilifeform: i have one. it is presently gathering dust. no time to do what must be done to it
gernika: asciilifeform: sorry it's been about a month since I read it
PeterL: I can't quite see, what's in the middle of the arrow keys?
asciilifeform: gernika: i expressed a wish that i had grown up with it, rather than qwerty keyboards.
asciilifeform: gernika: no, i did not actually use it in anger. for some reason i thought this was clear from the article.
gernika: asciilifeform: ah I thought you'd figured out how to hook it up to whatever development machine you use
asciilifeform: gernika: i'll happily part with mine if someone wanted to buy it.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I like those extra function keys
asciilifeform: presently i'm not even using a 'model m', but a 'northgate'
asciilifeform: and at this point i don't even care if i'm simply habituated to springs or if there is something 'intrinsic and natural' about spring clicks. i refuse to do without them.
asciilifeform: i seriously doubt that you can get spring feedback from anything other than an actual spring.
gernika: asciilifeform: I recently read Englebard's Violin and managed to get ahold of a Twiddler. Have you used it?
decimation: asciilifeform: but even if you believe man is created by God (as I do) you would still have to believe that God failed to anticipate what man would do to nature, and/or man could somehow outsmart Him
decimation: that's awesome. I agree, should toss into volcano
mike_c: <+BingoBoingo> I've been reddit killed. << just being in this channel seems to get a person banned from half the internet
asciilifeform: for instance, where i live, paying with paper money at a filling station requires a human clerk to turn a crank
patate: i love potatoes
BingoBoingo: I've been reddit killed.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i know this, it's a unix system!
decimation: except - I recall when a massive snowstorm moved up the east coast and wiped out all the telco lines - suddenly everywhere was 'cash only'
BingoBoingo rewatching Jurassic Park. I bet John Hammond wishes he would have bought Symbolics instead of *nix.
asciilifeform: every penny i spend is recorded. even at parking meters.
kakobrekla: cazalla not a single one, but i get asked to join various regularly.
decimation: cazalla: I use 'generic' rewards card
decimation: asciilifeform: I don't even want to see what he sees of all people, just of me
mike_c: BingoBoingo: lol :) i use cash for the spackle.
decimation: but as far as I know, there is no service the lets you download your own itemized receipts
mike_c: yes. i hate that too.
mike_c: hm? i don't mind people knowing i bought lightbulbs. it was only a couple.
decimation: yeah I think we discussed the dumbification of pos terminals in the past http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#825488 ☝︎
mike_c: i bought some fucking lightbulbs at home depot
decimation: I wanted to burn
decimation: I called customer service and they said that it would be quite impossible to change the first set of numbers, because that's my account number
patate: i love discover irc chats
decimation: when my credit card number kept getting stolen (before I was smart about website passwords), amex refused to change anything other than the last 4 digits when 're-issued'
mike_c: for "my" safety. except i'm not liable for fraud. so actually they are being a pain in my ass for their safety. fucking home depot.