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mircea_popescu: yeah, turns out. huawei ftw.
asciilifeform: looks pretty typical
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/916561ADAC038BBBCFAB89EDC04A3C5CCDD51A05666CD46A292571AEC05CFC01 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8874...5753 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.11.157 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.11.157 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9546AF73E66CBDE87E3FB00E89C0FE7C53423CDDF964BD60DDEB18B8B6BFE82 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.145 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CCD76069BB1F8E630905F5A86CF1C77E184381E6A058E428912D0C5937551E5A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.145 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/916561ADAC038BBBCFAB89EDC04A3C5CCDD51A05666CD46A292571AEC05CFC01 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.11.157 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.11.157 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABF23DE303BE1C82869D7925F0ACF7A8F54B420469D851530FC4121CBEC0B356 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.47 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.47 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
mircea_popescu: it's like they got audible china in wetware
asciilifeform: lol! good company to the dyinghddbird
mircea_popescu: i'm half tempted to yank the mains just to humor him
mircea_popescu: that day, there was a bird doing the ~exact thing outside, we thought nothing of.
mircea_popescu: and in other "omfg biodiversitiers" : my power alarm has this very strident, two sharp note bee-bop noise
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey aintcha there now again ?
mircea_popescu: and the kinds of butterflies about
asciilifeform: thing wasn't just storage, either, had tables, chairs, experimental setups going 24/7
mircea_popescu: at another time, mp lived in a place where july/dec diff was maybe 2 degrees
asciilifeform at one time worked in a lab with a massive walk in -30c. it was great, esp in july
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i saidf, too many movies
ben_vulpes: and yet with the premiums?
mircea_popescu: i was expecting to hear alcohol burner lol
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes anything made since the war does yea
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: don't those things have internal actuators?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you prolly use it in the 1000s of c
asciilifeform: ( tall vs short flame )
asciilifeform: and not only fine control -- but visible to naked eye in real time
mircea_popescu: weirdos saw too many moves
a111: Logged on 2017-07-03 17:11 mircea_popescu: fine temperature control.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-03#1678798 << funnily enough i always found the ~gas~ to have the superior control ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you know what that does to your insurance incidentally ?
ben_vulpes: just spring for the walk-in, i guess.
mircea_popescu: never saw a way to make them work for you know, 10 to 20lb sizes.
mircea_popescu: afaik the only actual implementation oif this that ~works is in morgue. they are side of beef sized drawers, and rather expensive.
ben_vulpes: not refrigerate the drawers themselves
mircea_popescu has spent some cycl;es optimizing restaurant kitchen of all things
ben_vulpes: well, figured the drawers would slide into and out of a refrigerated cabinet
ben_vulpes: could vinyl slides and drip trays but the complexity begins to mount
mircea_popescu: then if you insulate them they grow to where the chicks gotta work them in teams...
mircea_popescu: and as moisutre in the environment cools, it either rusts on them or else outright freezes
ben_vulpes: oh, as water comes out of the air, pressure drops and makes opening the thing impossible?
ben_vulpes files this away with the refrigerated drawers for the Someday Kitchen
ben_vulpes: odds that i'll ever buy a fancy brand new stove are pretty low anyways
ben_vulpes: huh, didn't know that
ben_vulpes: pidbox is like 13 bucks on ebay with thermocouple included
ben_vulpes: you know i was just thinking about wiring pids into my electrical unit for precision control!
shinohai likes the convection properties of electric ovens
mircea_popescu: fine temperature control. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i always figured the electrical stove was just another shitanium knockoff of The Real Thing; in what ways is it so much better than gas?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-02 00:32 mircea_popescu: chicks love teh electric stove tho.
asciilifeform: this'll have to wait for my own napkin.
mircea_popescu: but go ahead and compute that "possible" into something ?
asciilifeform: whereas as i understand it, we do not have this.
asciilifeform: well, there - one bit of input per one of output. whereas here is a hash: flipping ANY bit of the input should have an impractical-to-compute effect on ~all~ of the output
mircea_popescu: except there it's a ceiling and here it's a floor.
mircea_popescu: it is similarily possible for last bit of xor otp to flip only last bit of r.
asciilifeform: my current reading of the algo incidentally is that it IS possible for the last bit of S to flip only 1 bit of R.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, this was to be my next step, once ben_vulpes done profiling : impl a reverser, see the impact of bitwise altered S on end result.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's also the precursory to proof of its strenght : to reverse a 64kb msg hash you need to intuit 1mb of data.
mircea_popescu: i'm not 100% on it, but my own napkins seem to indicate.
asciilifeform: i'ma have to try this on paper.
mircea_popescu: and this should, at least to my superficial mind, work as rsa padding.
mircea_popescu: i'd guess 1.5x the time it took to make it.
mircea_popescu: no. if you have message M, and compute a fhf on it, and give out the M, you used fhf as a hash. if you give out both H and S, you used fhf as a "bit convertor" or w/e, the original M can be extracted, with sweat.
asciilifeform: so idea is to use S as the message, rather than the nominal hash result ?
mircea_popescu: if you have the end S of a hashing, you can reconstruct M from H.
asciilifeform: in that you cannot get the input out of the output
asciilifeform: i dun see how this is to work
mircea_popescu: the idea was that you need them together. maybe concat, i guess.
asciilifeform: has to be.
mircea_popescu: fhf work for this purpose.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what : S + H => M.
asciilifeform: see the linked thread. original subj was (the eternally misnamed) 'rsa padding' problem.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 01:10 asciilifeform: say i want to encipher (dun matter with what) a string, 'To: mircea_popescu Subj: thermonuke launch codes ...'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1589899 << or skip straight to the meat ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 01:02 asciilifeform: incidentally, since (to borrow the lament of turing's school headmaster) 'the room already stinks of mathematics', i'll share a tidbit that i promised folx some half year ago and promptly forgot:
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1589879 << thread ☝︎
mircea_popescu: seems tyou get that for free./
asciilifeform: and while we're on subj, i'd still like to see the thing applied in for the purpose i originally suggested -- a 'enemy knows 0 structure ahead of time' bitstring transform
mircea_popescu: a lot of interesting questions for the thinking man in our age.
asciilifeform: ( i have not yet tried, hands -- very full atm )
asciilifeform: incidentally mircea_popescu's hash may well be susceptible to hashlifeization
asciilifeform: arguably von neumann's original cellular thing was the original
mircea_popescu: in fact the whole game of life thing was exploratory in that direction.
asciilifeform: i don't see any theoretical basis for this statement
mircea_popescu: so no, in fact, it is MUCH more of a pill than rsa.
asciilifeform: observation is that 'gnarly slow hash with bitwise sliders' is not so much of a pill against theenemy as running on pc hardware suggests
mircea_popescu: point being, this isn't a valid objection. any work will take a truck, and any computing will take custom hardware.
mircea_popescu: for this reason.
mircea_popescu: much like any work to be done rewards not-toyota.
asciilifeform: i dun think i have quite 5k individual fpga in the parts chest, no
mircea_popescu: good for you. now you can't use it to do 5k hashes parallel.
asciilifeform: what'd that do
mircea_popescu: i'm just hoping S is over 1mb for the 64kb/2kb item and yay.
mircea_popescu: it pushes in 1st stage "well, select some criteria you REALLY care about then" and after that it's "wel lthis ball of warts does that, so fuck you with it"
mircea_popescu: this can't be a thing "i want a bunch of substantially different items that are all identical to the best performing one in any arbitrarily chosen criteria"
mircea_popescu: in taking hours it is doing EXACTLY what we wanted it to do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can't have a computationally infeasible algo that's also easy to compute!
mircea_popescu: rebase. now you know why yo uhave to -- nobody's waiting for your 500 long tree.
mircea_popescu: 6 months is no less than 500 patches. what tree is 500 patches long ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how would you like to wait 6 months to press a vtree.
asciilifeform: make the rsa hasher look great in comparison tho