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mircea_popescu: had the deency not to. plain asphalt, smooth, crushed ~every bone in her body.
asciilifeform: more interesting when they fall on a car
mircea_popescu witnessed splat left by woman jumping from 7th in tm.
asciilifeform: 'i need to jump but only got keys to 5th floor so no dice' said afaik nobody ever
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
mircea_popescu: "drag" is aconsideration in this discussion for the sort of intellect that reads wikireddit and thinks haskell is a useful programming language.
asciilifeform: gotta be one hell of a rich d00d, to jump from 100..
asciilifeform: skyscraper dun have openable windows, tourism decks also glassed in
mircea_popescu: erlehmann really ? what do you think drag is, magic ? where does "drag" hide all that energy, not like people splat in flames.
asciilifeform: ( ~= auto wreck into stationary wall at typical usa highway speed )
erlehmann: ah, but terminal velocity is <--[drag]-- o|< --[gravity]--> (rotate by 90 deg)
mircea_popescu: i just did the math to show you the thing you copy/pasted is nonsense -- surely someone jumping from 214 meters (about 100 floors) will still die.
mircea_popescu: drag really dun matter in this discussion.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu of course i have no idea how to calculate drag from human body and believe skydiver websites
mircea_popescu: erlehmann you know how to calculate this ?
erlehmann: suppose people wanted to splat faster, terminal velocity for human in air is around ~200 km/h and is probably not achieved from standard issue rooftop.
mircea_popescu: odds are he's not competent enough to reason about a cup of tea.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the pretense some derp "reasoned" about suicide is ridiculous of the prime order. who exactly is so equiped that they may so reason ?
mircea_popescu: in practice, asciilifeform, there is.
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to call it quits on calling it quits. just on calling it quits right then and there.
asciilifeform: d00d with actual reason to call it quits - generally no
asciilifeform: i thought only 'demonstrative emos' can be talked out
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it just sits there. there's no transition on a roof. if anything, the lack of transitions is calming, which is why jumpers can notoriously be talked out of it. make no sudden gesutres, let him take in the outdoors, he';ll climb down.
asciilifeform: and the fictional idiot in hanbot's 'yankee'
asciilifeform: actually no! i only ever read about mircea_popescu's argentines doing this
mircea_popescu: have you ever seen an idiot stop in a doorway ? because his brain simply shut down confronted with the transition ? "oh, room. outdoors. whoa!"
mircea_popescu: trains provide numerous and precise transitions. rooftops do not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people are not thinking agents. in deprs, transitions are a major consideration, much more so than any others.
asciilifeform: even if street sweeper charges, what's it cost to hose a pavement.
asciilifeform: i dun get it, why trains. why not roofs, bridges, etc
erlehmann: suicide tourism, lulz
erlehmann: > JR East, the line we were trying to take, is the most popular for suicides because it charges the bereaved families the least.
gribble: vragnaroda was last seen in #trilema 4 years, 31 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <vragnaroda> Not until just now but that's fantastic.
mircea_popescu: it's always an amusement to watch.
mircea_popescu: such lolz, the kakobrelkas of today trying to deal with the logs of yesteryear.
mircea_popescu: except... they don't.
asciilifeform: 'ohnoez, terrorists oughnt get insurance payout'
asciilifeform: and the later wank
asciilifeform: nfi. but recall the bernardino postal
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the guy's cessna was insured.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the traditional ustard suicide, at least of grown man, is by auto. counts as 'accident' for insurance.
mircea_popescu: do you know that salo joke, "hey, the muscovy went to space !" "all of them ?" "no, just one" "then what are you bothering me for"
asciilifeform: probably multiply by 20 to get estimate of whole washington.
asciilifeform: ( naturally 0 , afaik, official count, but back when i rode the train daily, it was delayed 'for track problem', and telltale equipment visible later, every few mo. )
asciilifeform: incidentally we have these here
mircea_popescu: ^ erlehmann there's your source, courtesy of friendly birdy in my ear.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Tokyo's " Human Accidents ": Jinshin Jiko and the Social Meaning of ...: <http://digitalcommons.macalester.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1012%26context%3Danth_honors>; Tokyo : Earthquakes and train suicide . | - Hong Kong Housewife: <http://hkhousewife.com/travel/tokyo-earthquakes-and-train-suicide/>; The Culture of Japan - Web Tome: <http://webtome.weebly.com/blog/the-cultu
mircea_popescu: !~google mark saldana, tokyo's human accidents jinshin jiko and the social meaning of train suicide
mircea_popescu: it's the sign of age, what!
asciilifeform: so whence the old blue cock
mircea_popescu: i ignore and triage as it is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you were to get 9000 letters / d. would also ignore or triage.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not protesting the passage of time, nor its effects. merely remarking on it.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 01:29 mircea_popescu: "when a man grows old, and his balls grow cold, and the tip of his prick turns blue, he may in turn start do as the subj link describes, an' triage'm by symptoms"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1679878 << i'm curious, what's the non-blue alternative? read all?! then no time to eat, sleep... read 0? state-of-the-art solution, practiced by many. but sometimes crackpot proofs are novel in some entertaining way. hence 'triage' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-01 15:38 mircea_popescu: yet these "measures of all things" exemplars of pure humanity, that honestly believe their heads are capable of any lifting, if they "just had the facts" hurr durr lol lol snort, nevertheless can't see far enough ahead to realise they're "leaderless" because their leaders are out and out bullshit, and for no other reason.
mircea_popescu: you know, like tor. sure symptom of "it's totally leaderless yah" http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-01#1678144 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: things that "just happen", inferior nonsense pseudotech gaining usg tendril adoption.
mircea_popescu: apparently "don't step in front of subway, you will die" is a lot less comprehesible to 8 yo japanese girl than "if i end up having to pay a fine for it I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU!"
erlehmann: i am glad such stuff exists, because association with it shows stupid. if i remember correctly, debian response to keybase fuckery was: we consider stuff showing up on keybase compromised, any keys showing up will be shot on sight.
mircea_popescu: amuysing factoid -- the japs got rid of the problem by making bereaved families pay fine + repairs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are ? you mean the japanese train jumping girly thing ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, i got one of those bar shot ladle things, for ease of delivery. it's a very useful implement.
asciilifeform: erlehmann: there are societies devoted to encouraging emo teenagers to jump from roof. why not also for uploading privkeys.
erlehmann: but then those are the ones urging ppl to upload ther private keys
mircea_popescu: hey, this could be gay slang. "is your butt use-full yet, twink ?"
erlehmann: about as useful as tingling feeling in butt
mircea_popescu: a nudge is as good as fuckall to the blind bat.
asciilifeform: 'to the furnace. next.'
mircea_popescu: i mostly like the intimation that while they may not have any exact proof, they do have sufficient inexact ones.
asciilifeform: erlehmann: these are a snore and merit 0 brain cycles at all
erlehmann: WELL IF THEY ARE PRETTY SURE THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH RIGHT
erlehmann: asciilifeform crypto cranks need no proofs. take https://keybase.io/triplesec/ – money quote: “We don't have any exact proof of security for a cascade of block ciphers in CTR mode. But we're pretty sure”
mircea_popescu: "when a man grows old, and his balls grow cold, and the tip of his prick turns blue, he may in turn start do as the subj link describes, an' triage'm by symptoms" ☟︎
asciilifeform: in practice, enthusiastic halfwits dun have much originality in their works. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: allow me to quote :
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it were fashionable for folx with 3rd grade education to attempt such proofs, and i got one in the mail ( why., though, i dun work in that racket ) i might begin to do as subj link describes, and triage'em by symptoms
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the "England -- implementation of logarithm" ? await ye till republic is actually where the idle seek their bread. then watch and be awashed art the deluge
mircea_popescu: of latter -- maybe 50% of the time
mircea_popescu: i expect alf himself WILL voraciously read "proof" of former, no matter the source.
mircea_popescu: anyway. his bad for inserting a conjecture among actually known shit. there's a difference between "we don't know if rsa is hard" and "we know you can't compress all files"
asciilifeform: it is , i mean, problem not only for one side. as the linked piece is about.
mircea_popescu: and the faucet for when practical in your hand ?
asciilifeform: but has two edges.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is theoretically a problem
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall you spending some lines discussing the problem of "unknown practitioner"
mircea_popescu: well then good there's two of us.
asciilifeform: i dun see the problem at all
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't per se dispute the piece can be rescued with liberal application of benevolent reading balm. i just don't seem inclined.
mircea_popescu: and the digit-of-pi dude ?
asciilifeform: wiles was a known pro, 'in the wot', note.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the proposition that a proof for fermat's conjecture is not worth reading past page four is not factual.
asciilifeform: and they're still in business ( to an extent, old age took its toll, and new ones not being made )
asciilifeform: what about the dudley piece is in any way false ? the folx described therein, behave exactly as described, i have met them
mircea_popescu: o i had a lot of fun with that as a kid.
mircea_popescu: sure. and they will. but dudley's piece is now... just as pseudo, and just as crank, as theirs,
asciilifeform: the ~same folx are to this day sending fermat proofs 3pgs long, with rotten algebra, as before wiles..
asciilifeform: yes but not to the 'trisectors'
mircea_popescu: SPECIFICALLY because of that tail.
mircea_popescu: it counts to my read.