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feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-next-phases-of-escape/ << lobbesblog -- The next phases of escape
mircea_popescu: well why the fuck not@
mircea_popescu: negative fucking space ffs, it used to be called thinking back when my grandfather could barely read ; now that all everyone does all day is "read" facebook somehow magically nobody can think anymore ?
mircea_popescu: not "do i want a jetski" but "what will i do with a jetski in akron, ohio" and "how will i pay the cc bill or why should i have to".
mircea_popescu: wtf, how hard is it and how the fuck could it not be obvious.
mircea_popescu: man, generally speaking, WILL THINK OF THE NEGATIVE SPACE.
mircea_popescu: man will say "i can't sit about pretending to myself i've a gf, if in case something should happen this Maddy Humphreys woman doesn't know enough of me to mention the circumstance in the one place that matters in my life"
asciilifeform writes proggies as a kind of will / seppuku haiku. 'friends, here is how to operate, for i am not among...' flavour.
mircea_popescu: and like this in everything -- man will say "i can't fucking sit on all this, people will spit on grave IF ONE DAY IT HAPPENS i'm incapacitated".
mircea_popescu: man will consider, "oh nice, there's nine pies here, i'm still going to have ONE SLICE".
mircea_popescu: to continue "publication-phobic folks" thread : difference between mouse and man is that moue will eat itself into overweight to the point where can't, famously, get back out through the hole it came in.
asciilifeform: it was enheartening tho when diana_coman ate ffa 1-19 and commented. apparently it was edible by at least 1 . (even if took a maffs doctor )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when wrote 'm', actually spent many days rewriting the commentary. but today when looking at it, 'who can read this? why?' and sad.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, standard wasn't ~properly~ described. standard was described at fucking all, i don't need to explain the difference between your logger which diana_coman 's running now and phf's alleged logger which, for all anyone knows, consists of one mechanical turk who meanwhile got sad / ran away.
mircea_popescu: correct thinking consists of thinking ~about the negative space~. not about the positive space. not "oh hurr durr it works", ffs.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 01:42:47 mircea_popescu: there's http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856336 / http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856338 distinction bearing here : if one's notion of technical acument doesn't include "describing the things", every dog's an engineer nonpareil for having fleas.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936012 << 'describe' is very difficult. or maybe i'm thick. but i wrote pieces that were >50% commentola by weight and when rereading still sad, 'this is not properly described'.
mircea_popescu: the reason so much misdesign exists in the world is the imbecile puritan "think positive" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: people never thing properly of anything.
asciilifeform: ftr i cannot, try as i might, understand the publication-phobiac folx. when you sit on the proggy, all yer doing is making sure that others will spit on your grave, 'grr, fucker, because of him i have to write the 17th logotron nao'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-02-07 14:22:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a greybeard once told asciilifeform , 'you dun know it, but you got finite # loc in you, once you've written them will stand the machine no moar and have to move to forest and eat bark'. i'm not even convinced that it was joke.
mircea_popescu: not that i mind, but there IS a difference.
mircea_popescu: whatever, just as soon as it was even vaguely possible one might've had some use for it. and this is ~deeply unsexy~, mind, i ain't publishing boihood-conventional "cool stuff & frank zappa" here. i'm publishing the most shameful thing known to the wankastery collective, and then end up having to "battle" nonsense of "oh, mp is intellectually stunted, can't install linux" because of it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma have to see when i'm awake, possible oddity
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, didactica aside, i dunno any of his production was even vaguely visible. i mean, you realise trilema still runs to this very fucking day on code published in what was it, 2015,
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-06 04:42:12 BingoBoingo: The particular election rabbit hole I've just about completely explored is how "book club" party with an uncontested internal managed ~50 kilovotes for recently fired former commander in chief Guido Manini Ríos Stratta whose only firm platform position seems to be no "reform" of the military retirement system and softer position declaring "Army on streets is good"
mircea_popescu: why's the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-06#1921930 returned, it has no "a b" in there ; and why's it not bolded ?
mircea_popescu: trying to find it i discovered http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=%22a+b%22&chan=trilema
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, for the linguist interested in the natural evolution of alphabetic language into hieroglyphic, such as both egyptian and chinese naturally ended up in the shit after being used as languages for long enough, tironian notes provide the necessary bridge)
asciilifeform: d00d was ( and past tense, seems to have stopped twitching ~mo. ago? ) strangely phobic of posting progs
asciilifeform: afaik was the 1 and only properly vpublished piece of his tho ( unless count '15 ext. to asciilifeform's 'shiva' proggy.. )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 01:38:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935538 << it'd have been very hard to do, also, considering he never published anything.
mircea_popescu: one can't quite make fleas in the lab as things stand right now, so in this utterly jeffersonian view the ploughsman's the only true scientist.
a111: Logged on 2014-10-03 04:08 mircea_popescu: and i wanted to know if when someone invents something, they have to also say how it's to be made
a111: Logged on 2014-10-03 04:07 mircea_popescu: this is the difference between invention and daydreaming, something my mother explained to me when i was like 6
mircea_popescu: there's http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856336 / http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856338 distinction bearing here : if one's notion of technical acument doesn't include "describing the things", every dog's an engineer nonpareil for having fleas. ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: but yes, to say it plainly : i don't agree phf was some kind of technical monument or example to be followed. making things that work does not enact one into such ; observe that every frog makes things that work, extremely fine things that work extremely well, viz the very fucking frog in question. yet a frog that can breathe is an ordinary frog, not an exceptional engineer.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:21:49 mircea_popescu: imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:43:20 asciilifeform: trinque: orig. contention, which i disputed. phf was 1 of the very, very few people whose hands grew from right place, and it will take very long time to replace , not even speaking of the full functionality of the orig. bot ( still not had ) but of e.g. the vpatch viewer, which i use erry fucking day of the week
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 09:44:24 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935455 - fwiw I don't think anyone contested the quality of the technical work done by phf.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935538 << it'd have been very hard to do, also, considering he never published anything.
mircea_popescu: aw damn, i put the links in backwards.
mircea_popescu: if i'm gonna want to learn about sex ima ask rapists not "careerwomen", and if i'm gonna want to learn about war ima visit hitler not "pacifists", "global hunger fixers" an' the rest of that very sad lot.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding its manifest popularity among the most perdurant and pervasive type of hostis humani generis, it's still impracticable insanity.
mircea_popescu: this shocking bit of imbecility unites across all times and all geography idiotic old women from george fox to cioran's hag with dirty feet.
mircea_popescu: in fact, breaking this distinction is truly the one deep problem with all sorts of "religious" thinkers in their own view, aka unmitigated morons in reality : the traditional position of the mula, intellectually impossible as it is, stands as "i'm not interested in sin therefore here's what you must do about it".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 09:23:33 diana_coman: there is always (and still available and I'd like to see it taken by phf, yes) the place in other castles; so I suppose, if one must answer the question, the threshold as I see it atm = reaching to ban from *other* castles.
mircea_popescu: is based will inform the ought discussion, sure ; but absent that... just, how ?!
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935529 << there's about zero chances i'll tell someone what to do with things that don't interest me. i mean it's not even fucking possible, altogether, by reason of logical inconsistency : if you're not interested in a toy, how the fuck can you summon the basis upon which to tell others what to do with it ? if you're interested then the same thing upon which that interest
lobbes: that snippet was from my PM convo with him. Figured I'd throw it in for moar context
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 00:21:30 jfw: I seem to be having trouble registering with deedbot, but in the mean time I'm http://welshcomputing.com/jfw.asc and a bridge from a prior key
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 00:25:35 lobbes: trinque: seems like this fella was having issues registering his key http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=UFHE
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1935983 << lobbes y'know the bot quotes all chans
lobbes: asciilifeform: yes! thank you
asciilifeform: ^ plucked from log, so has the old select. but that's the item
lobbes: in the meantime I'ma have to continue without the link I guess
lobbes: I believe it talks about the limit of existence in a socialist world. There's a specific phrase in it that goes something like "You'd better make sure you negotiate for what you want, because that is *all* you are getting. Ever." Any Trilema-ologists in know it?
lobbes: In other news, I wish this mp-wp-bot already existed. I've been trying to locate a Trilema piece for this post I'm working on, and I must've gone through a few dozen by now with no luck.
lobbes: trinque: seems like this fella was having issues registering his key http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=UFHE
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-13 18:13:40 asciilifeform: lobbes: added ericbot to colourizer list .
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935943 << ty!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-13 03:29:14 mircea_popescu: holy shit i had to take out [] style links from my latest trilema draft.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-13 17:53:40 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935874 << when lobbes bakes a phpistic parser for these, could put in mp's-wp then ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935941 << notbad idea for a follow-up patch. I'll have to shelve it until I deliver the main product tho
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/taliban-asserts-their-readiness-to-continue-war-for-another-century-so-long-as-us-continues-forcing-war-on-afghanistan/ << Qntra -- Taliban Asserts Their Readiness To Continue War For Another Century So Long As US Continues Forcing War On Afghanistan
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/09/easterly-travelogue/ << The Whet -- Easterly Travelogue
asciilifeform: and ty mircea_popescu !
asciilifeform: ftr, the subj.
mircea_popescu: btw, happy friday the 13th
mircea_popescu: nobody ever used it other than for humour tho
mircea_popescu: "degitlegau" (lit, ofnecktierer) instead of the "alien" cravata (tie)
asciilifeform: they pounded on it until the pins bent and it went in, eh
mircea_popescu: yes, but need a certain conceptual stability to attempt. i suppose the most systematic was late 1800s, latinization a la i h radulescu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was asking re attempts, rather than success ( consider the greeks' 'success' )
mircea_popescu: much like the man on pcp running up and down the sidewalk punching out imaginary flying trees is way too busy to kill himself properly speaking.
asciilifeform: (made approx as much sense as to try an' standardize navajo, but nobody asked asciilifeform)
mircea_popescu: the reason rotards didn't do, incidentaly, is not wisdom but idiocy : so many completely iliterate attempts to "systematize" lang, there was no fucking need or rather, practical possibility of directed activity like you're describing
asciilifeform: funnily enuff the j00z in nyc did have one, they iirc tried to standardize a yiddish minus slavicisms post-war
mircea_popescu: eventually moved to france.
mircea_popescu: notrly. they did however do an idiotic antisemitism thing ; the guy is actually Eliezer Schein ; and other than one of the precious few, subdozen romanian linguists ever worth the mention, aslo spent most of his life trying to be naturalized and not managing
asciilifeform: 'get the barbarisms out!11'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 03:37:54 mircea_popescu: dun have to be solved today, we'll live for quite a while as it stands.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: yw. when we crack the url puzzler and import era1 , will also need historic bots in there.
diana_coman: ha, there should be a botbot :P ty asciilifeform for the list, I'll update mine too.
asciilifeform: lobbes: added ericbot to colourizer list .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-13 03:29:14 mircea_popescu: holy shit i had to take out [] style links from my latest trilema draft.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935874 << when lobbes bakes a phpistic parser for these, could put in mp's-wp then ?
snsabot: Logged on 2018-12-05 10:04:37 asciilifeform: likes marshak's translation 9000x better than the orig. 'Не было гвоздя -Подкова Пропала. / Не было подковы - Лошадь Захромала./ Лошадь захромала - Командир Убит./ Конница разбита -- Армия Бежит. / Враг вступает в город,/ Пленных не щадя, / Оттого, что в кузнице
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is there a native romanicism that goes with it ? ( as in the 'vrem/timp' pair )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interesting slavicism there, that horseshoe, potcoava, is really подкова (literally, 'under-smithing')
mircea_popescu: but if you want to do things in the style of print(url, list-of-params) whereby print_url(list-of-params) is called printing the list as an url, you definitely can.
mircea_popescu: why'd a flea need that much iron shoeing ? lest it jumps too high, of course.
mircea_popescu: php CAN handle cascading templating, the reason it's never seen is because anyone who can be bothered to do such things is not there to do it, but too busy fucking tghemselves in the ass with obscure dildos ; in romanian this is called "pe cind se potcovea purecele cu 99 oca de fier la un picior".
mircea_popescu: the greater point being that ad hoc php by iliterates is not different from ad hoc perl or c or bash or lisp for that matter, why's it the computer's fault ?
mircea_popescu: re echo '<a href="' . $url . '">' . $description . '</a>'; << nothing keeps you from doing print_url(x y z) if you want to. you'd have to define that function, of course, but this is true in lisp and any other language as well.
mircea_popescu: anyway : i'm willing to bet migration ~will~ be trivial ; and i am very curious to find out why not if indeed not
mircea_popescu: you know, by the way, curl can make a heavy load for you any time you so feel like.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a0-cl-www-summary.html << The Tar Pit -- Common Lisp WWWism summary
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-12 15:13:13 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers! lobbes , diana_coman , et al : reader.py on dulap updated to lobbes's raw-export-fix. vtree page updated w/ lobbes patch and lobbes , asciilifeform , sigs.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-13 04:38:29 bvt: lobbes: please test the following vpatch: http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch.bvt.sig ; i'll have time for a writeup only on the weekend. this vpatch is only lightly tested so far.