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mircea_popescu: anyway, you can prolly talk to a broker pay whatever they charge as a
% fee
Chaang-Noi: tehy dont have batch 2 chips yet, but they could ahve fucked 50
% of batch one
jurov: even if not 80
% , it will be paid years later.. so effectively 80
% can be
unbalanced_: Bugpowder: just caught up. 80
% haircut for "rich" Cypriots (a minority that won't march in the streets) and foreigners (EU/Russian retirees who saved all their lives but don't vote in Cyprus)... oh and Russian mafia, apparently
Bugpowder__: anyway. Nobody cares that cyprus just said 80
% haircut over 100k now?
Bugpowder_: All in, the MPEX account fee is probably <1
% of total personal profits so far.
Bugpowder_: but MPOE has averaged 12
% return on equity per month
Namworld: So for the first weeks it was 100
% Namworld: ASICMINER is for 50
% of the company. But they pay back IPO price to shares sold.
Chaang-Noi: pretty bullish if they will pay 33
% more than gox
Chaang-Noi: but the thing is, mp found some people to buy it, 12
% Chaang-Noi: better to sell 10
% at 10,000 than 100
% at 1,000
Namworld: or put x
% of their income into gambling
mircea_popescu: i recall this carlin bit, "according to 90
% of participants, gangrape is great fun"
tiberiusiv: chaangnoi: not all romanians are scammers but that area breeds a huge
% of them per capita, not to mention all sorts of other criminals they scatter all around europe.
tiberiusiv: he only needs to dump a small
% to get filthy rich
tiberiusiv: the 88
% of shares that havent been dumped yet
mircea_popescu: if one day you actually read the statements you'll see it;'s been going down since 99.5
% last year.
mircea_popescu: the only reason i own 88
% of mpoe is tghat i didn't sell more.
tiberiusiv: hence why you still own 90
% of the company
tiberiusiv: mp: 10-20
% of your shares get sold you pocket millions, on a business where nobody can verify actual activity on.
tiberiusiv: virtex does a small
% of volume compared to what you claim you do
tiberiusiv: mircea: i am? you only need to dump 10-20
% of your grossly overvalued shares to pocket millions
mircea_popescu: stop running around the field. the point of discussion here is that the holding
% makes no difference.
tiberiusiv: you only need to get rid of 10-20
% shares at inflated valuations to pocket millions
tiberiusiv: mpex is what 95
% owned by you? theres no way to tell how many of your "options" trades are real
mircea_popescu: think for a moment. if he has 90
% of the shares or if he has 500k BTC it's all the same.
tiberiusiv: if it was, voorhees wouldnt still have 90
% of shares.
pigeons: well he's trying to have less than 90
%, he's working on it
tiberiusiv: sdice is too dangerous to short because voorhees has 90
% of them and can always manipulate earnings
Namworld: I pay 0.21
% weekly and I find that a lot.
mircea_popescu: "Looking to borrow 600 BTC @ 3.5
% weekly ianbakewell" << heh
ChaangNoi: i thought about it, but i did not think the pay off of 1
% or so was worth the risk of putting them on an exchange
pigeons: wait they charge 2
% on the btc side of the trade?
Namworld: if that's 10
% per year, than price should be at least 0.73
Namworld: but assuming a minimum of 1k BTC traded daily and average of 2
% fees.
Namworld: pigeons, remember that most stuff on Havelock go to 10
% or under per year
ThickAsThieves: My first day trading options on MPEX and I'm up 22.5
%, heyo!
topace: but we only pay out ~50
% as dividends, with extra being reinvested
Bowjob: i can lend some btc there, have 12
% guaranteed
smickles: "the price can not go up by 400
% in only 10 weeks, price cannot go exponential."
Chaang-Noi: ill sell 2.5
% then, i dont need fiat for years
deadweasel: Bugpowder: that has always seemed like the best strategry,
%5 or so at each top
Bowjob: the high price is because it will give 100
% roi in about a month
Chaang-Noi: we might see 70
% if the netwrok at two places in china if bfl fails like they might
Chaang-Noi: i mean shares coming onto the market, when did he dump that extra 3
% of the company? cuz that was 33.33
% more shares traded
Chaang-Noi: if on lost 99.5
% and on lost 99
% just looking at the chart we would think the one that only lost 99
% is better
mircea_popescu: well yes, if both suddenly lost 99
% of value in one week that wouldn't show on the graph
Chaang-Noi: yeah trends are about the only thing you can look at here, and really they both could have lost 99
% of value or gained 99
% of value in the real world, this kinda of chart is not really sueful for much
mircea_popescu: the smaller one goes from 40
% to 80
% of the bigger one during 2012
Chaang-Noi: that is why i gave you the ratio of 40
% Chaang-Noi: it is easy to see (assuming no share delution, or buy backs) a guy if invested at the top has lost 40
% mircea_popescu: say today google mkt cap is 5bn and apple mkt cap is 4 bn. then that would be 80
% for that day on the graph
Chaang-Noi: that is why i know the guy lost 40
% if bought at a high, im not telling you a price he lost at, just a ratio... 40$ is a ratio
Chaang-Noi: mp if you did a chart for btc the 100
% would be at 74.9 and now it would be at like 95
% (72.00)
Chaang-Noi: so someone could theroreticaly ahve lost 40
% of their welath buying at the top
Chaang-Noi: it measn s.dice is now worth 60
% of what it was worth at its highest valuation
tiberiusiv: no what matters is what happens when the tiny
% that influence 90
% of the market change their mind.
tiberiusiv: theres a possibility 100 individuals own 50
% of BTCs outstanding lol
tiberiusiv: top 410 adresses control roughly 35
% of all BTC
tiberiusiv: top 26 BTC adress's are about 10
% of all BTC outstanding lol
tiberiusiv: bugpowder: none of the top 50 hold even 1
% of oustanding dollars.
tiberiusiv: if voorhees has 90
% of sdice shares, what stops him from playing on his own site everytime he wants to dump more shares, in order to increase "profits" thereby introducing more motivated bidders to buy them
Josh_Rossi: the second one is a 7 day loan at 510
% Bugpowder: the 2
% creation fee pays for 'insurance' on that possibility
mjr_: and in fact made about 300
% this month, though i exercised early at 71
mjr_: that make up 87
% and he has said he doesn't have a majority i believe
jurov: evoorhees indicated maybe 10-30
% being held by other investors
mjr_: going on about 13
% of the company defining its true value
tiberiusiv: 30
% yes bets in 90days? 30
%+ dividend yield on the stock...