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phf: ah, so it's a subtle "what
tenets would
that be? handy if you made a LIST of
them here, eh!"
☟︎ phf: that's a
tricky request, but
the
tenets are around shitlangs differentiation, "fits in head", v as a way of releasing code, what it means
to own a piece of
technology.
there's a handful of
threads
that had definitive conclusions,
that i consider
tenets (i
think
the word should be in quotes
to indicate
that while not
true
tenets, violating
them will require reopening large
threads)
mircea_popescu: phf for my curiosiuty, list
tenets and positive/negative effects ?
mod6: with btc, even if "prototype" was imho worth using in
the battlefield. "you go
to war with
the army you have..." doesn't mean either
that it can't be made better or replaced later.
mod6: in
this case, even
the sina has said so himself, is a simple prototype. i find prototypes
to be
typically worth making. often
there is something
to be learned from
them.
phf: or perhaps now
that he has successfully served as
the main driving force behind
the
tenets of
tmsr
technology and ensured
that
they are collectively accepted, he doesn't need
to reaffirm
them as much. but i also have wonder if
the
tenets have as much of a galvanizing effect now
that we mostly had a chance
to observe both
their positive and negative effects?
phf: no, it's more like alfs rhetoric approach at some point was encouraged, where's now it seems
to be recognized, and often
treated with "oh it's just alf doing his
thing".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: are you saying he switched from
trying
to annihilate it
to being unhappy with it because it has managed
to gather some apparent support with me ?
phf: i
think
that it's mostly your works. his patterns are better known,
there's been damping, etc.
phf: pretty sure asciilifeform is actively ignoring
the whole initiative, with only periodic pounces. as opposed
to his older strategy of annihilating
the whole
thing upfront. must be getting old
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the amusing part not yet picked up (i was expecting alf
to jump) is
that... it has inband encoding. "self" is a special word!
☟︎ mod6: <+mircea_popescu> 2017-07-08 00:06:57|delivered_by:self|sender:urmom|ugachuga << lel @
this message, and it seems
to work!
mircea_popescu: it is
this
thing which
talks back
to you. === girlfriend, are you kidding me ?
mircea_popescu: ask around. decide(); and void
think void etc,
the writing's on
the wall.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the only mental model of computer per se would be "girlfriend".
mircea_popescu: guy is kinda predictable, his previous codebase was a cartoon-colored illustration of
the impossibility of autodidacticism
a111: Logged on 2017-06-21 17:05 asciilifeform: doing FIVE ( yes, it's five ) machine muls, in
there, and 5 machine adds ( instead of motherfucking ZERO ) JUST
TO GET
THE UPPER WORD of word*word mul, is not.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's actually my bad,
they called it optimizing assembler back
then for some reason.
phf: asciilifeform:
the story of mel?
mircea_popescu also, as young
tyke,
thought "wtf breadboard, useless shit
takes more
time
to set up
than it's worth new".
then
touched 120V a coupla
times and grew wiser.
mircea_popescu: no argument
there. but also -- an aesthetical discussion of breadboards will never result in
their banishment from
the workshop wtf.
mircea_popescu: it is sometimes practiced, and sometimes accepted,
to ship circuits back and forth straight on
their breadboard.
this is entirely up
to
the people involved and not proper subject of legislation.
mircea_popescu: could be done in your hand, or else in your pants pocket while riding
the subway. it'd be harder is all.
mircea_popescu: it allows you support
to set out all your shit and connect it as you want, and measure and decide how
to package it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you actually want
to get it i'll formalize ?
mircea_popescu: you don't ship fg with it, and so don't ship other
things with it either.
mircea_popescu: "i don;t understant
the mechanisms YET, give me a worktable. with clearly known knobsw on it."
mircea_popescu: "oh, but a db for each program will be unmaintainable" "good luck maintaining
the feature lists of shared item
then" etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
trolls don't care about how you feel, alfie. just how you sound.
mircea_popescu: sina write it in ada,
that'll really put a bee in his bonnet.
mircea_popescu: if
the dood bangs out
tmsr-db within
the next coupla weeks, which fwis isn't exactly inconceivable, is anyone interesrted in making mp-wp switch from mysql/etc
to it ?
sina: I don't want
to carve
the stone first
time
phf: in fact only
two ports systems i know
that will do it out of
the box is gentoo's one and homebrew
mircea_popescu: do we have a plain and rather complete statement, specific
to dbus in
teh logs ?
phf: sina: i actually checked, and fwiw guix doesn't let you build emacs without dbus dependency. (in fact none of
the odds and ends like svg, xml or alsa can be disabled without patching
the package definition file)
mircea_popescu: and by now you're far far beyond "doing
things for fun an'
to learn"
toylulz.
mircea_popescu: sina go make a drop-in flatfile db replacement, so people can drop it in right now.
there's a market, such as people who aren't happy mp-wp pulls in mysql.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's
the fact of
the matter : if you had
the drop-in rsa ready, he'd drop it in right now.
sina: asciilifeform: feel free
to check out my github :P
sina: saw spec on
trilema, seemed interesting, why not
sina: yeah but I am not making
this software and saying you sould use it for serious, or even any,
thing
sina: btw asciilifeform
thanks for checking out guix, I
thought you might be interested after reading old logs of you complaining re ripping dbus out of emacs
sina: yes and it's understood, I'm not
trying
to make "gossipd for alfs dystopian future" just have some fun for me
☟︎ sina: ok,
thanks for validating mircea_popescu,
tearing down
the shithost
phf: i suspect
the
thinking is
that you'll be running a local instance of gossipd,
to which you connect over irc, so its main interface is some subset of irc (kind of how bouncers or bitlbee do it)
sina: in irctron, you can login
to a remote node and keep your privkey operations local
sina: in
the gossipthing I made,
the
transport layer is
tied
to
the encryption layer
sina: asciilifeform: I do like
that idea
mircea_popescu: so you don't have a proper irc client
then. see ? i said irc CLIENT. protocol can stay, i see no prob
there
sina: asciilifeform: it is designed
to easily rip/replace
the RSA and other componenty bits easily
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah,
the back end needs work.
the frontend
tho, actually passes.
sina: if you like it
too,
that makes me happy
mircea_popescu: cutting
the "irc client" out of
the loop altogether, which is a definite plus.
sina: but again, disclaimer, am not doing
this
to infiltrate
tmsr with shitlang, as asciilifeform seems concerned, just for my own fun!