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mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 possibly not aptgetting a binary but instead building source may fix it for you ? << yeah, this is always a bad idea. only reason i did it, was to get an ada env stood up quickly. i had a super weird problem on the first environment that I tried on. the gnat version didn't match the gcc version and was getting like non-determinstic errors.
mod6: im not sure what it doesn't like about 142, 146 -- they look like a lot of otherlines in ffa. so not sure what it thinks isn't kosher.
mod6: np, thank you for the help!
mod6: yup. totally unchanged. am posting...
asciilifeform: btw mod6 , you ran it with the contents of the tarball, yes ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: plz repaste your barf << ok, shall I rerun your make, included with the fact.tar.gz ?
mod6: i can, i guess, bundle all those deb packages and send 'em.
mod6: this is all the stuff that is installed (i think) via apt for gnat: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mZRtO/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: that doesn't sound very much like it then huh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his runs but somehow barfs, for 1st time, on this particular ffa.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yea, but one of those things, works if it works and doesn't if it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: it's not all that rare that precompiled binaries are incorrectly marked and don't actually run on specific setups
asciilifeform: fwiw i have a box with the adacore bin gnat, everything worx great even there
asciilifeform: it had to come from somewhere, neh
mod6: not even sure if that's possible... will look
asciilifeform: mod6: plz post the tarballs that your gnat was made from
mod6: I'd be happy to try anything on my environment for you if it were to help sus out what might be wrong with it. I truly have no idea where to begin on this thing.
mod6: My thinking is that, if i need to be able to use all the switches ad denoted in your makefile (since my mine doesn't seem to allow for that), I may need the adacore configuration.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: not the problem. my thing builds on both adacore's and trad gnu gnat. << yeah not sure what the problem is. it's a binary installation of gnat via apt-get, so that, i'm sure is part of the issue. however, it works better than the first ada configuration that I had, which, didn't work at all.
asciilifeform: somehow phuctor is a junkyard magnet for this style of nonsense. and, i imagine, a very frustrating one
mircea_popescu: pretty sure this was the first non-automated attempt to "take over trilema!!!" since http://trilema.com/2012/the-storm-that-was-fel/#comment-90298
asciilifeform: ( that, or lovingly crafted bot with delay rng )
asciilifeform: and fuck knows how many at night, i dun even always bother to catalogue
mircea_popescu: by hand tho ?
asciilifeform: live, on the phuctor term
asciilifeform: i see 3-4 of these every day
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect the -- is supposed to do something or the other to mysql. the rest is just a selection of terminators.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 14:43 mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster you're not here to learn. you're here to try and bludgeon the world into a shape your head may fit. this is the opposite of learning. learning is when you change.
mircea_popescu: anyway. dorks trying to interact with the world on their own terms, as if they were somehow human by plain working of nature. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672444 in various coats of paint. ☝︎
asciilifeform: what's "1... supposed to do..?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in lulz of all time, some dork (arachni@email.gr / 139.59.30.233) put a bunch of "1"'`--" in vartious fields comments into trilema. BY HAND.
asciilifeform: ( see also trilema postmortem re subj )
asciilifeform: the other end of that 'we ain't fancy people' catv handshake thing
mircea_popescu: which is kinda funny in that it's a question crafted to bother the asker.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 21:02 asciilifeform: 'we're painting this old toyota' ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685111 << obviously the purpose of the "asking" is the stroking of the implicit assumptions of equality baked in. the question isn't "what is this ?" but rather "hey, i know i'm a guy 100% interchangeable with any/all of youze, right, i can even pm mp if i feel like it, so say something to signify your agreement, whatever it is, when i ask you hey guys what is this ?" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:59 asciilifeform: but apparently this is one of those 5minuteattentionspan modern wonders.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685108 << a yeah, whatever happened to the exciting kid a few days back. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:50 whatisthis: so, my question is my nick. what is this?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685096 << practically speaking, "this" as in #trilema would be c-span for the senate of a "terrorist organisation". best guess. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:31 asciilifeform: and no joak either -- if it drowns in the noise, there is no signal.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685084 << this is actually quite true. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the blessings of reals ;/ your value's right.
asciilifeform: but yes ideally somebody other than asciilifeform will stand up to do the chore of showing that thing is indeed endian-neutral ( which, unlike afaik every other bignumtron , it in fact is )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque didja ever get a gnat going on your g5 ?
BingoBoingo: I thought that comes last
asciilifeform: looks like still mop time, bucket time, from here.
BingoBoingo wonders if we have moved on yet from Axe Time, Sword Time on to Wind Time, Wolf Time
asciilifeform: mod6: not the problem. my thing builds on both adacore's and trad gnu gnat.
phf: "why would we use it to scan what you're asking us to scan, if we can just go and get the original, lulz"
asciilifeform: phf: now if only it weren't one of the world's largest golden toilets.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nah everybody knows, first lynching, then barnraising << AHA, barn commemorates honored tree!
mod6: perhaps if i can get that working, then I can use the -cflags -O2 thing alright without issues.
mod6: I'll be spending some time this week to try to get adacore's stuff built into gentoo with gcc. not sure now how this will go, but will let you guys know.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> results of torture test: << thanks for posting your results.
asciilifeform: nah everybody knows, first lynching, then barnraising
phf: it's a barn raising! you in? and then we'll have us a good ol' lynching!
asciilifeform: 'we're painting this old toyota' ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: i often wonder, when this question is asked, what the asker expects the answer to look like.
phf: whatisthis: trilema is some guy's personal blog. it kind of should be obvious from the format of things. typically when one discovers something, one should spend some time circling it, this way and that, trying to figure out its nature. you will gain very little by coming on "hey guyz! whacha doing here!!"
asciilifeform: but apparently this is one of those 5minuteattentionspan modern wonders. ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: already suggested to d00d, to read the subj line.
BingoBoingo: <whatisthis> yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can? << No, first tell up who your daddy is and what does he do
asciilifeform: gnumake is sensitive to whitespace, it is how the idiots made it. and doesn't cleanly eat winblowz line endings, which unfailingly appear whenever www liquishit is in the loop.
asciilifeform: xxd dump of curling the paste back, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/WOzLL/?raw=true >> many many winblowzified line endings, but seemingly intact tabs
whatisthis: yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 06:02 mircea_popescu: pretty sure it simply drops non-ascii chars silently. which is the right thing at that.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1684964 << there are no non-ascii chars in my input. i ran a test, of the makefile in the tarball, and ended up with http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Au741/?raw=true ☝︎
asciilifeform: see the subject line for the chan ?
asciilifeform: which this ?
whatisthis: so, my question is my nick. what is this? ☟︎
whatisthis: im reading the trilema site. and I don't really understand what's going on. But I'm terribly intrigued to continue reading it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: looks like yet another 'strong and silent type'
asciilifeform: yeah unsurprise, considering that all but a handful of the muls are singleword
phf: !W (let ((t0 (get-internal-run-time))) (factorial 65536) (float (/ (- (get-internal-run-time) t0) internal-time-units-per-second)))
asciilifeform: and no joak either -- if it drowns in the noise, there is no signal. ☟︎
asciilifeform: if it's dwarfed by i/o, we can say it took 0!1111
phf: parse-integer actually took significantly longer than factorial (i'm trying to figure out how to get a millisecond timer out of sbcl to wrap factorial to answer your question, but i don't think there's anything native)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu you might want to get a new calculator..
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685050 << lol i missed this earlier ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 13:00 asciilifeform: btw if you're actually doing something that doesn't need constanttime, you can simply put the obvious check-for-zero in the karatsuba and get 2-9000x boost for mul.
asciilifeform: thing is, you can't do this with ffa.
asciilifeform: and incidentally in case anyone reading this is not really awake, the method of calculating factorial shown in the ada proggy is brainmeltingly dumb. you really want a tree, most of it is smallint mult
asciilifeform: can haz the interval in which the (factorial...) ran ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo no, that's precisely what it was. << Ah
candi_lustt: phf: T
mircea_popescu: alrighty, will later today.
asciilifeform: plox to post whole thing
asciilifeform: i have done this continuously ever since mod6 unearthed the sharp edge with 'Image operator
asciilifeform: ( ftr i tested it on both of the two major species of gnat )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 19:49 BingoBoingo was a bit disappointed, this was merely traditional church building kept as warehouse. Was expecting USian phenomenon where new construction church is actually build in the manner of a warehouse. Corrugated steel and all.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, that's precisely what it was.
phf: asciilifeform: just fyi, your package of goodies compiles, i haven't ran it through, but with gdb i can catch it mostly doing Mul, and producing sensible states
asciilifeform: the output lives now at http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact_out.txt , if someone knows what 65536! ought to equal -- compare and say.
asciilifeform: width, as readers of the proggy recall, is 1024000-bit.
asciilifeform: the sha512 of the output of the program, on all 3 machines, is 2540ed1fa8d4eb82916417df9136b79657c27cfc9c590d0b43fa14a03c7b2831f0371a598bd8040d7ba1ed0a6c1fd0cd87287d477388f2a2ed962f3f5601f366.
asciilifeform: for anyone not tuned in : ^ computes factorial of 65536. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 23:16 asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact.tar.gz << complete kit for above. sha512==26198604bff50d3411e343a30b97f4babe3a6b291fca267435cecd6a5438a08862b550198a49dd5549dda00c841d95afc1443f597587710b83c7fa65effa9c73
asciilifeform: operation is the one in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684808 . ☝︎