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mircea_popescu: "no other char than tab up until the first alphanum in each line" is a fine rule ; and if someone discovers that he can't press his homebrew let someone fix his homebrew.
mircea_popescu: wait i thought you didn't like it.
asciilifeform: i'm almost surprised that mircea_popescu hasn't yet thought of , e.g., anathemizing ascii in favour of own, arbitrary arrangement of alphabet, strictly for incompatibility's sake; or to proclaim the 17-bit byte...
asciilifeform: ( the long-time reader will observe that this contravenes http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231 . tough cookies, don't do crypto on box with transparent copying. )
mircea_popescu: which yes, kock wouldn't be koch if he didn't live to try and befoul the tools of salvation through association with his turpitudes.
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta why i didn't particularly itch to go there
trinque: can't waste all the security anointing oil on one proggy. gotta save some for the rest of god's children!
asciilifeform: koch wouldn't be koch if he did not write it like-so.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 03:52 mircea_popescu does his usual s%\n\n%\r\r% s%\n% % s%\r\r%\n\n% while muttering underbreath about the idiocy of fucktards who STILL DON'T UNDERTAND NEWLINE STANDS FOR NEW PARAGRAPH!!11
phf: yeah, but killing obviously bad code is so much easier then killing a not bad code that you don't need
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754265 << haven't yet seen uruguay, nope. but also haven't yet a boat. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: apparently shit asciilifeform makes sells ok, for just as long as it isn't him selling.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 14:46 BingoBoingo: Do remember if you choose to stay in my hostel to bring clothes you don't mind burning later porque los chinches de cama
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 06:18 mircea_popescu: but yes, this comes with the necessity of considering eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751602 as "a coin has been minted" ; i don't see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753931 as anything other than an abstract rendering of the exact practical reality
phf: recent gpgme doesn't build with gnupg@1.4 out of the box
danielpbarron: i don't know about arbitrary quantities, i'm sure asciilifeform would say the price spikes if you try to buy more than 10
danielpbarron: i'm working on a laptop now and of course my recipe doesn't work again. I'm gonna try cp -r'ing the distfiles in from a working box for the initial setup
asciilifeform: oook so it isn't a btc biznisss at all...
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: y'know you don't have to talk if you dunwanna
BingoBoingo figures if the Colombians y Brasileros/Brasileras don't complain too loudly what is his place to do so.
asciilifeform: somehow i didn't expect delousing as one of the expenses...
BingoBoingo: Do remember if you choose to stay in my hostel to bring clothes you don't mind burning later porque los chinches de cama ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that you don't "need to make a coin" for this should be evident, in the sense that the "coin" already exists. (not to mention -- http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752985 ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but yes, this comes with the necessity of considering eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751602 as "a coin has been minted" ; i don't see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753931 as anything other than an abstract rendering of the exact practical reality ☝︎☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: machinery that behaves as intended over a large range of inputs impresses me. this isn't mandatory for anyone.
mircea_popescu: it scaled remarkably well, much better than expected really ; and much better than expectable. this exceedingly close coupling between model and reality isn't, to my knowledge, seen before in human industry.
mircea_popescu: i clearly remember gushing in the log many years ago, but can't seem to find. anyway : difficulty worked.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean here what rando-idiot thinks those are. i mean the actual article,
asciilifeform: and won't.
asciilifeform: they haven't tho.
mircea_popescu: in all factuality we wouldn't have wot were there not pow.
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to be complete being the only grace.
mircea_popescu: this is entirely new field, in fact, as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753861 etc : we don't even really understand what worldfunction si supposed to be. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't cleat to me that wot isn't the troo solution to time. e.g. 'i'ma follow the multiverse mircea_popescu picks, and fuck everyone'
mircea_popescu: the sad fact of bitcoin relay network is that it actually forces people who aren't to nevertheless act like idiots.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'don't be in a cave' is not solution ?
asciilifeform: it couldn't, even if entirely flawless, it dun distribute coin
mircea_popescu: i don't want a different flavour of footshooting musket.
mircea_popescu: so if at t0 the chain is C, and at t1 large owners decide they don't like C and retroactively create C' ?
phf: well, if you baked in color support, your code periodically enables a color mode, but doesn't immediately disable it. instead colors spit out as the execution unfolds. but if you catch an interrupt, you end up with a borked terminal. hence fucking complicated ass signal machinery to ensure that color gets restored on hup or suspend
asciilifeform: however there is no block reward. anyone can proclaim a block, so long as he can find one or more valid tx that haven't sat down in a block yet. the 'pow value' of the block , for the purpose of longest-chain, however, consists of the ~total coins moved~ in the tx-en that sat down in it.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. when you craft such a tx, you're doing it against a specific picture of whole blockchain, from t==0 to your highestknownblock )
asciilifeform: w for antireplay ? can you picture a scheme where... it doesn't.
asciilifeform: upstack re pow item : i'ma leave an observation for mircea_popescu ( and others, but he's prolly the one to crack this nut properly ) . consider how in classical bitcoin , pow is used for 2 entirely different and quite orthogonal items : initialcoindistribution, and rewindprotection (i.e. preventing history-rewriting) . it's a bulldog-rhinoceros. so q is, suppose that coin distribution somehow took place at t==0. do you still need po
phf: but i don't go into the details there either
asciilifeform: i have scripts that ruthlessly thermonuke the kind of rubbish that doesn't get diffed, instead.
asciilifeform: mining intrinsically, i suspect, suxx, and fiddling with pow won't make any dent in it
asciilifeform: sha2 (and for that matter other hashes) weren't built to be expensive, quite opposite
mircea_popescu: primeness doesn't enter into this, we're just leveraging that apparently modexp is megaexpensive.
mircea_popescu: but the base factor can't be this fucking humongous ffs, it's just (x+a)^n vs x^n+a.
asciilifeform: and we don't know how the shit-dust comes back together to form what gpg thought was primes
mircea_popescu: the ~other~ part of it is : suppose (i don't have example ready, but constructively) there's a N that popped into factors f1... fm.
asciilifeform: but it isn't clear to me why weaker koch test would have different answer than stronger m-r
mircea_popescu: i don't think i follow.
mircea_popescu: this is what i say : reconstruct the original two "primes" of which at least one wasn't ; then see which of such items have in fact low primes as strong liars.
mircea_popescu: the factors don't matter.
mircea_popescu: esthlos look through the various FFA items as pasted by asciilifeform first ; to get an idea what the item is like. so you don't have to wait till he's finished publishing it all
esthlos: I don't have anything specific in mind
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753256 << no. the naive bare life (bios as opposed to zoon, see http://trilema.com/2014/it-all-depends-on-what-power-means/#selection-109.0-106.2 ) approach is that sunken costs matter. this feeds right into shaw above. whereas any gambler worth two shits knows you... fold when you know it can't win, not when you judge you can afford to lose "your" share of the pot. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, i myself wasn't making a current bitcent an hour until sometime after 2010. ie, quite recently.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oh i understand this, i also understand how fist fits in cunt doesn't mean i'm not entertained from time to time with the concrete item
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you don't understand how self-determination works!!1
mircea_popescu: faff. i didn't even know that was a word.
mircea_popescu: sofiababy do your best. you also don't know how to fuck, but you do your best and it works out.
mircea_popescu: which is why the whole "men will do anything to get some" social fiction, with it's attendant "surprises" of the thoroughly fabricated sort, "i can't believe far far away somewhere in like japan they don't". gotta mask the bitter truth that ~woman~ will do anything to get some. literal anything.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:52 cazalla: i bought a bottle of that reserva, was nice, i still prefer bundy rum (although the one i like can't be bought now)
mircea_popescu: which is why "surprised by wealth" exists as a concept. ers wasn't being creative, he was being... you know, manly. filling a pre-existing hole.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> amusingly, it msises the very obvious failure of the "chinese room" nonsense (yes, searle mc dumbnuts, you don't speak chinese NOW ; but if you followed the recipe you WOULD, by the time you'd stop making errors, actually speak chinese. duh. eternal error of the childish mind, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+dynamic+static etc ), but moving on to more interesting things : << AHA the poor hostel staff
mircea_popescu: note that the true problem here isn't that "computers don't understand context" or whatever othjer bl;a bla. people very provably do not either.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, it msises the very obvious failure of the "chinese room" nonsense (yes, searle mc dumbnuts, you don't speak chinese NOW ; but if you followed the recipe you WOULD, by the time you'd stop making errors, actually speak chinese. duh. eternal error of the childish mind, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+dynamic+static etc ), but moving on to more interesting things :
phf: well, also misparsing, because i didn't make it clear that franklin stove is not a буржуйка, there's a simpler u.s. item that corresponds though (can be found in e.g. faulkner)
mircea_popescu: why can't students of jp import one of them young hussies
mircea_popescu: i dobn't get it, you READ the orc langs but don't hear them ?
mircea_popescu: lol. can't say as i ever had.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i can't hear you over the sound of my poliglotism.
mircea_popescu: "i don't know any people in power, why would the guy hiring me"
mircea_popescu: so... one funeral at a time. yeah. this'd be why. performance can't be a fucking substitute for identity.
mircea_popescu: these guys wouldn't be easily scared. but the girls weren't... easily deterred. you see ?
asciilifeform: i'm still surprised it wasn't handled su-style -- i.e. by not marking to begin with
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't have a full vierw of the problem. allow me to recount a lengthy story that shall make my point for me.
mircea_popescu: now, i didn't happen to give a shit. but think what they try to sell to these unfortunate kids.
mircea_popescu: but before you abandoned it, it wasn't defeated yet.
mircea_popescu: which is why we can have color television sets with short tubes. they, smart or not smart, couldn't have.
mircea_popescu: consider the problem of mechanics in 1900. physics "complete science" and why can't you 1900 alf explain the mercury precession ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'software' ain't a thing
esthlos: mircea_popescu: as to quantum computers, I don't know a whole lot about quantum, but i believe that an information-theoretic approach to spacetime is the best bet to quantize it
asciilifeform: esthlos: i tuned out when 'serious' people started talking about 'testability and parsimony aren't mandatory'
mircea_popescu: "i guess they just DON'T LIKE HEROES AROUND HERE!11"
mircea_popescu: well, you don't like modern physics.
cazalla: one burmese bitch even starting complaining she couldn't do as many men as some of the other girls
esthlos: mircea_popescu: I haven't see that of naggum's
mircea_popescu: maybe fondly wasn't the exactly right word.
phf: cazalla: what'd you think of 46yr glenfiddih compared to their 12yr etc. stuff? i've had a variety of vintages, and i can't for the love of me feel ~that~ much difference. meanwhile a difference between a 10 and 40 year port is very tangible
cazalla: i bought a bottle of that reserva, was nice, i still prefer bundy rum (although the one i like can't be bought now) ☟︎
cazalla: figured why not, once doesn't hurt, not gonna double down and get the 30 yr old
phf wouldn't mind having one of those oversized, drafty castles where you have to run a fireplace to heat one room out of 20 (or was it 30? we've lost count during last inspection, etc.)
mircea_popescu: don't believe everything you read ; especially not online.
mircea_popescu: shakti something wasn't it ?
mircea_popescu: no, i didn't like it. it's fucking offensively terrible.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 o hey, remember when you didn't want to write on your tits, cuz "too little" ?