asciilifeform: right. so hypothesis requires then that it is viable commercially, i.e. someone other than mircea_popescu give enuff damn to bake'em into tiles.
asciilifeform: if actually 'don't care what costs', why not yet paid to have boatload of 5yo asics actually baked into tiles and installed in castle mircea_popescustein ?
asciilifeform: let's stipulate that this is true (i.e. that what's sold to konsoomer currently is only coupla notches obsolete.) i thought that orig 'heat house' hypothesis was re arbitrary degree of obsolescence.
asciilifeform: what instead should i call miner that eats 500 $ / mo of current to produce bitcent ?
asciilifeform: that the orcs dun realize this, and continue to build blocks of flats with no heat and where each orc sets up propane burner in his deathtrap, is entirely separate puzzler
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as i understand , BingoBoingostan is theoretically idea heatpump country
asciilifeform: electric resistance heat is -ev insanity on pretty much 100% of planet, moar or less 100% of the time -- heat pump (if >0C) or gas (if <0C and there's ~any~ gas to be had , at just about any historical price) wins by fat margin
asciilifeform: i used to live in 1, erry flat had buncha resistance heaters, fuses regularly blew .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it happens where sovok bldg manager refuses to switch on the central steam till december etc.
asciilifeform: ( i'ma take mircea_popescu's word for 'they are available to konsoomer' , evidently currently worth slightly moar as chump bait than as ore )☟︎
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's proposition is that difficulty climb at some pt puts the older units into the zone where they're worth moar as au
asciilifeform: nobody's found yet a way to make'em with 0 au.
asciilifeform: incidentally this sort of thing remains in play for modern ic, and is why old irons become scarce, at some pt becomes worth moar as au ore than to transport/run
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, they're still gettable despite 30 yrs of 'biznis' melting'em down for au.
asciilifeform: and same ones used in nuke and in bk0010 schoolboy comp.
asciilifeform: that was a uniquely sovok phenomenon tho -- these folx were so poor that they could not afford konsoomer & mil separate lines
asciilifeform: this is where i confess that i did not follow the subj actively in recent yr or 2, last time i tried to buy miner was some time during kako's reign
asciilifeform: wonder, who will be the hero to repackage the old asics as radiator with fins ( do you know anyone who wants equiv. of running shop vac at all times in bedroom ? that's what the extant asictrons resemble )
asciilifeform: i can actually picture orcs heating with old miners, if they had the two neurons to rub together and get a boat loaded with'em
asciilifeform: ( it never wins on cost, in climate where heat pumping worx (avg. >0c) it is used, otherwise fossils win)
asciilifeform: resistance heater mostly happens in argentinas
asciilifeform: i.e. this will go approx same as the jp dream of 'home reactor'
asciilifeform: i suspect that 'heat house' aint happening, no matter what level of 'important'. obsolete miners even nao aint worth the cost of transport , floor space, or fan dusting / noise isolation, even to use as heater. whereas 'current' iron is ~unobtainable to commoner on acct of being a strategic good. and can't picture how this would change as 'important' goes up.
asciilifeform: was thinking, pc is substantially easier to get hold of than miner (of any description), but somehow not so many folx heat house with'em ( part of this to do with the difficulty of usefully reselling cpu cycles ; but even asciilifeform , who eats plenty by lonesome , only covers perhaps 40% of heat for house via exhaust from the torture room fans )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall your hypothesis re 'folx will heat house with miner' ?
asciilifeform: btw , to go with http://trilema.com/2019/so-what-is-the-man-saying , really oughta disasm a zcx variant and longjmp side by side and see what actually changes. ( when diana_coman comes back with working bins, i'ma set this up , for thread-co)☟︎
asciilifeform: mod6: nope , that line gets printed if kernel compiled with scsi option set, regardless of whether any card.
asciilifeform: mod6: quickest way to learn wtf, i suspect, is to dump the thing bitwise onto a usb, and boot that, then lsmod -v and diff with your known working set's lsmod -v output.
asciilifeform: all he's got, is a [ 0.971934] SCSI subsystem initialized , which happens when kernel brought up regardless of whether any module matches up to working disk hanger
asciilifeform: here, have a line from a working box : [ 3.129745] sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
asciilifeform: was always built like this, tho. module that doesn't find its device, in some cases reports (e.g. in mod6's log, the raid) but usually says nuffin.
asciilifeform: erry module that doesn't find its device, i meant
asciilifeform: it comes, in this particular case, from the people who actually do http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896130 -- e.g. shituntu -- whose boot log would be 9000km long if ~every~ device that was simply not found, produced an eggog☝︎
asciilifeform: ~why~ is q to ask torvalds when you nail him to the cross, not me
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: failure to init caused by 'i have nfi what is this chip' is silent on linux.
asciilifeform: mod6: you get a 500MB kernel then, lol
asciilifeform: for so long as we're under 'iron babel' and errybody has 9000 types of unique machine, we're stuck with this horror
asciilifeform: ( linux is notorious for 'oh hey we added a new required flag and ha even tho you set x, y, z, device d no longer gets its module because fuckyou ' )
asciilifeform: it's entirely conceivable that his are moar recent than mod6's older, working tree, and breaks support for mod6's card
asciilifeform: mod6: where didja get the kernel srcs for this build ?
asciilifeform: all i can see from the paste is that the thing dun see any disks at all.
asciilifeform: supposing, that is, you didn't also manage to produce a kernel that dun see yer usb chip
asciilifeform: ( and you'll then need to find what yer sata is hanging off, and rebuild with it baked in )
asciilifeform: mod6: if you were to take this exact thing, and stick it onto a usb , and then it boots when '/dev/sda3' -- then you will know that the above is it
asciilifeform: observe that 'old config' != 'old kernel' if the src tree were swapped
asciilifeform: waitasec is it actually test with old kernel ??
asciilifeform: mod6: bring up a working barbarian linux on that box and lsmod -v
asciilifeform: mod6: seems like you may have build a kernel that dun see your sata chipset.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'll do it , supposing that kernel actually sees the disk ( whether it does, is not obv, observe that it dun come up in the kernel barfola )
